[Noisebridge-discuss] leave (and associated belligerence)

Tony Longshanks LeTigre anthonyletigre at gmail.com
Sun Apr 21 17:47:39 UTC 2013

Third thing to add, b/c it just happened: Dan just tried to provoke me into
further conflict by telling me a knife with a scorpion handle turned up in
the space last night. I asked him why he was doing this & he said that it
was to try to aggravate me into further conflict. (So I can be blamed for
his & the Reverend's behavior, which is largely what has happened.) I have
just told Dan in no uncertain terms to stop talking to me about this shit &
leave me out of it. I am painting today, which is what I was trying to do
the knight the fight occurred. I will be leaving after I paint. I have been
in & out as I said I would be this week. I am building roads to other
places as NB is not a place I feel comfortable any more. At any rate, for
the record, I told Dan not to try to rope me into his belligerence any
further. Hopefully he will respect this wish.


PS Dan reads the Discuss list. I just don't know if he comments, b/c unlike
me he'd probably make his comments under some other persona.

On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 10:35 AM, Tony Longshanks LeTigre <
anthonyletigre at gmail.com> wrote:

> One further thing: I didn't want to be part of the incident in the first
> place but knew no one else was going to challenge the shitty behavior in
> the space. I expected my request that both individuals leave the space &
> come back later to be honored. Since it was not, I conclude that the
> guidelines of Excellent behavior expected at Noisebridge are no longer in
> effect. The response to my post is not what I expected & I find it very
> disappointing & unfortunate (for the whole community). My attitude toward
> the space has changed. So be it. In the scheme of things, really doesn't
> matter.
> +11+
> On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 10:29 AM, Tony Longshanks LeTigre <
> anthonyletigre at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Drew,
>> Dan tells different things to different people. I have witnesses. Dan
>> doesn't want to be involved in this issue any more for reasons of his own.
>> I also don't want to be involved in the issue any more for other reasons:
>> mainly, I'm working. I didn't want to be involved in the issue in the first
>> place. I spent that entire night trying to work in the space, moving from
>> one end to the other & unable to do so no matter where I worked because
>> belligerent individuals were fighting around me & trying to rope me into
>> their conflict or disturbing the atmosphere to the point that work was
>> impossible. I have unsubscribed from the DIsgust list forever & am only
>> responding to this b/c it was mailed to me. I would prefer to have no
>> matter part in this discussion. Please don't insinuate that I'm a liar,
>> though, that's weak. It's also another betrayal from a former friend. (I
>> will handle the remainder of this discussion off-list.)
>> +11+
>> On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 2:02 AM, Ronald Cotoni <setient at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Can we take the drama to the meeting?  I think both of them should be
>>> banned for unexcellent behavior.  I frankly don't care if a knife was or
>>> was not pulled at this point.  It is stupid drama that has nothing to do
>>> with hacking.  Let us all shut up and hack.
>>> On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 8:51 PM, Andrew Byrne <andrew at pachakutech.com>wrote:
>>>> I'd like to point out that Dan doesn't recall a knife and he's sorry
>>>> about falling down the stairs. -dru
>>>>  On Apr 18, 2013 8:00 PM, "Mitchel McAllister" <xonimmortal at yahoo.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> I have not brought any scuzzy people into the space. I haven't brought
>>>>> *any* people into the space.
>>>>> Once again Tony proves that he and reality have ireeconcilable
>>>>> differences.
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> Date: Thursday, April 18, 2013 1:35:09 pm
>>>>> To: "Andrew Byrne" <andrew at pachakutech.com>
>>>>> Cc: Mitchel McAllister <xonimmortal at yahoo.com>, NoiseBridge Discuss <
>>>>> noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net>
>>>>> From: "Tony Longshanks LeTigre" <anthonyletigre at gmail.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] leave (and associated belligerence)
>>>>> "Tony knows I didn't have a knife."
>>>>> Bullshit. How would I know you didn't have a knife? Your attitude in
>>>>> the
>>>>> space has continuously been extremely hostile. You bring scuzzy
>>>>> disruptive
>>>>> people into the space. I told two people last night about the incident
>>>>> &
>>>>> they both replied, "I'm not surprised [that you pulled a knife], he's
>>>>> brutal." That's just about verbatim.
>>>>> I'm not trying to make myself the center of attention, I'm trying to
>>>>> make
>>>>> shitty behavior on the part of yourself & others the center of
>>>>> attention,
>>>>> so it will hopefully be dealt with, since I alone obviously lack the
>>>>> power
>>>>> to resolve it.
>>>>> As of today, I officially don't care. I've reconnected with the big
>>>>> beautiful world outside Noisebridge. I will be in the space
>>>>> sporadically
>>>>> for the next week or so, then going North for a break. From that point
>>>>> on
>>>>> my relationship to Noisebridge is going to change, from a drug
>>>>> addiction to
>>>>> a healthier, less intimate, more sustainable relationship.
>>>>> So, since no one else seems to care about this issue, I don't either.
>>>>> Maybe
>>>>> knife fights are just the thing we need to mix it up a bit. I've got
>>>>> several knives myself for prepping food in the wilderness &
>>>>> self-defense
>>>>> (if need be). Have fun, everyone. I still think NB is a great place.
>>>>> I'm
>>>>> coming in later today to see if I can laser cut a couple things in
>>>>> time for
>>>>> a meeting I have tonight.
>>>>> +11+
>>>>> On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 1:15 PM, Andrew Byrne <andrew at pachakutech.com
>>>>> >wrote:
>>>>> > A third party asking witnesses other than our friend Tony if they saw
>>>>> > anything, maybe. An impasse would be unpleasant.
>>>>> >  On Apr 17, 2013 11:35 PM, "Mitchel McAllister" <
>>>>> xonimmortal at yahoo.com>
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >>  I really wish you people would learn what "mediate" means.
>>>>>  mediation
>>>>> >> implies a middle ground.  Exactly what middle ground exists between
>>>>> a false
>>>>> >> accusation and anassertion that the accusation is false?
>>>>> >> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> >> Date: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 11:14:46 pm
>>>>> >> To: "Mitchel McAllister" <xonimmortal at yahoo.com>
>>>>> >> Cc: Tony Longshanks
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