[Noisebridge-discuss] Some interesting thoughts on "benevolent sexism"

D J Capelis mail at capelis.dj
Fri Apr 5 21:09:18 UTC 2013


Seems like it may be an easier problem to solve, since just so many of the
people who seem to be surprised and captivated by young men being fair and
equitable seem to be the very young men who perceive themselves as such.

It just might be that the power to end the oppressive scourge of meta
benevolent sexism lies in your very hands.

Good luck!



On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Garrett Mace <garrettmace at gmail.com> wrote:

> This is all progress, at least. Perhaps at some point we'll advance to the
> point of meta-benevolent-sexism, where it's discriminatory to be surprised
> and captivated, for example, by any young male who in defiance of his
> stereotype manages to treat everyone fairly.
>
>
> On Apr 5, 2013, at 10:01 AM, Ken M. Haggerty <kenmhaggerty at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> I don't think most people are maleficent, and is difficult as it might be
> I would encourage every one of us to point out whenever someone we're with
> does something like this. You don't have to berate, and you don't have to
> scold, but a lot of times people just have *no idea* how they come off.
>
> For me, I'm always happy to see diversity of thought and experiences in
> any space and always regret when correlation is confused as causation which
> is then used as a tool to be discriminatory. Whenever anyone is genuinely
> him- or herself and is comfortable being so is great. In that sense I
> hope(?) that said person from your own experience is astonishedly please at
> your technical prowess not because of your abilities but because the
> community hasn't ostracized you for not fitting their stereotypes /
> "culture." This is of course very different from the examples given in the
> SciAm article.
>
> -Ken
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 9:20 PM, Mitchel McAllister <xonimmortal at yahoo.com>wrote:
>
>> Thanks for sharing Rachel.
>>
>> Shall we synchronize our watches, to count the seconds until another guy
>> comes up to me and asks me if I saw the "hot chick" who just walked in.
>>
>> As I have mentioned before, if I, as a gay man, treated the guys in the
>> space they way they treat the women, I'd be thrown out so hard I'd be in
>> orbit.
>>
>> No it's not surprising that any woman *or* man can code, weld, hack, sew,
>> etc. regardless of appearance, sexual identity, orientation, skin color,
>> heritage, etc.  What's surprising is the number of people think it is.
>>
>> --- On Thu, 4/4/13, Rachel McConnell <rachel at xtreme.com> wrote:
>> > I always kinda wondered why I cringe
>> > when someone is astonishedly pleased that as a woman I
>> > [code|weld|CAD|etc].  That ought to be a compliment,
>> > right?  Excellent discussion here.  Go Sci-Am!
>> >
>> > Rachel1.0
>> >
>> > -------- Original Message --------
>> > Subject:     Some interesting thoughts on
>> > "benevolent sexism"
>> >
>> > Lots of really good thoughts here, esp. comparing obituaries
>> > and the
>> > response to "I fucking love science" revealing her gender:
>> >
>> >
>> http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/psysociety/2013/04/02/benevolent-sexism/
>> >
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