[Noisebridge-discuss] Fwd: Some interesting thoughts on "benevolent sexism"
Christoph Maier
cm.hardware.software.elsewhere at gmail.com
Sat Apr 6 16:19:58 UTC 2013
A wonderful thread!
It reminds me that you all are very good at creating Chaos (that's why I
need a dose of noisebridge every now and then),
but ranking who is best at it may be sexist, benevolently or not.
So I should probably talk about python instead.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUBAx8jbYNs
On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 8:33 AM, jim <jim at systemateka.com> wrote:
>
>
> In the early 1990s internet relay was new and
> getting popular. Among the newly interested were
> those with little video cams attached to their
> computers (think male in bathrobe at cam).
> I submitted a writeup of something I discovered
> in the IRC sex crowd to what was then my second
> favorite web site (my first was paranoia.com, which
> went extinct, the domain name repurposed by some
> commercial entity, nothing like the original);
> anyway, I got lots of laughs reading the various
> Heartless Bitches pages and am proud that they
> used and have kept my submission (circa 1993):
>
> http://www.heartless-bitches.com/rants/hotgirl.shtml
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, 2013-04-05 at 21:16 -0700, Naomi Most wrote:
> > Heh, now you know something of how a lot of us women felt when getting
> > on the internet a decade or more ago (and for many, even still). I
> > have been using neutral-gender online handles since 1995.
> >
> >
> > --Naomi aka nthmost aka venix aka 101101 ...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 7:48 PM, Garrett Mace <garrettmace at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > I'm not happy with the risk that anyone might confuse me with
> > Garrett Smith, since it appears we have some major differences
> > in many viewpoints despite having the same uncommon first
> > name. I am going to come up with a pseudonym to use on this
> > list as I'm no longer comfortable using my own.
> >
> >
> > --- Garrett Mace, (non-jerk)
> >
> >
> > On Apr 5, 2013, at 4:22 PM, Lyra <elevin at MIT.EDU> wrote:
> >
> >
> > > Naomi, you are of course welcome to keep fighting with him.
> > > I just don't find that fun or useful, so I won't.
> > >
> > > Rachel Lyra! Very true. That being said, we can (and should)
> > > work to improve ourselves and our world simultaneously. It
> > > seems there are different hosts benevolent (or not so)
> > > sexism may reside in and different ways to combat it in each
> > > case.
> > >
> > > For ourselves, the hard part is noticing. This would be made
> > > far easier if it were more socially okay for people to call
> > > us out on such behavior. For example, a friend mentioned to
> > > me that when I used the word 'dick' for a mean person, I was
> > > reinforcing the idea of men being synonymous with jerks. I'm
> > > glad he was comfortable with telling me that, as it gave me
> > > the opportunity to change my behavior in some small,
> > > positive way.
> > >
> > > Rational people whose opinions we care about can be reasoned
> > > with and irrational people who's opinions carry no personal
> > > value can be ignored. But what about people who hold these
> > > beliefs unreasonably and for some reason, their opinion must
> > > be worked around (policy makers, cultural leaders, teachers,
> > > bosses, investors...)?
> > >
> > > Lyra Rachel Levin
> > >
> > > Sent en route, pardon the brevity.
> > >
> > > On Apr 5, 2013 4:07 PM, "rachel lyra hospodar"
> > > <rachelyra at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Thanks for this, Lyra! I think there are a bunch of
> > > good ways to move forward on issues of embedded
> > > sexist behaviors. Ultimately the question of what
> > > to do next depends on who the speaker is. We all
> > > have work we can do within ourselves, and the old
> > > advice about tending to the beam in one's own eye
> > > first rings pretty true here. Sometimes I think the
> > > most fruitful thing for most of us to do is to
> > > encourage the normalization of a critical analysis
> > > and discussion of these issues, as a normal and
> > > rational part of public discourse.
> > >
> > > R.
> > >
> > > On 4/5/2013 4:01 PM, Lyra wrote:
> > > So I tend to just write off people like
> > > Garrett Smith - their opinion is
> > > not useful or valid to me so why waste
> > > cycles feeding the trolls?
> > > However, Merlin's link on Stereotype Threat
> > > clarified what is bad about
> > > that behavior. This isn't a small, vocal,
> > > but ultimately powerless group
> > > that thinks this way. This is a lot of
> > > people, some very intelligent,
> > > some very powerful.
> > >
> > > Instead of bothering with this fruitless
> > > argument with Garrett, let's
> > > look at ways we can combat the source of the
> > > problem. Calling people out
> > > on unnoticed bad behavior is one way. Pro
> > > active and empowering
> > > education opportunities are an excellent one
> > > too (for adults and
> > > especially for children). Further thoughts?
> > >
> > > Lyra
> > >
> > > Sent en route, pardon the brevity.
> > >
> > > On Apr 5, 2013 3:46 PM, "Danny O'Brien"
> > > <danny at spesh.com
> > > <mailto:danny at spesh.com>> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
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