[Noisebridge-discuss] cooking timers!

[jim]

Good points. 
    Seems to me: As NB is a public space, photo'ing 
should follow the same policies as on the public 
streets or bus stations.... 
    It's good manners to ask permission to record 
or photo someone. 
    It's bad manners to sleep at some place where 
the principals don't want you to sleep, and to 
rifle the shelves and other things. 
    Best, all in all, to be kind as one tries to 
maneuver another one out of bad mannered behavior. 
But push does sometime come to shove. 





On Tue, 2013-08-27 at 19:04 -0700, bfb at riseup.net wrote:
> > On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 11:55 AM, Kevin Schiesser <bfb at riseup.net> wrote:
> >> I disagree fully. There is not a no sleeping rule at Noisebridge. Be
> >> excellent, right? Photographing all sleepers is not excellent, and I
> >> feel
> >> invasive and unnecessary in most situations. It's important that an
> >> effort
> >> with polite but firmness is made to awaken sleepers before
> >> photographing,
> >> and certainly before requesting they leave and not come back until a
> >> Tuesday
> >> meeting.
> >
> > My own feeling has evolved/devolved on this. I now think the right way
> > to think of sousveillance/surveillance is as a *negative constraint*,
> > rather than a pervasive thing to be assumed, or something that does
> > not exist at all.
> >
> > My turning point came when I had to escort someone out of the space (I
> > was called from home to get the guy out, because everyone else had
> > apparently become too exasperated to do so). It took me an hour of
> > gentle coaxing because I decided that I wasn't going to shout or
> > threaten him. The last twenty or so minutes were down on the bottom
> > steps. Within seconds of me finally sighing announcing I was going to
> > take a photo of him sitting and refusing to leave, then taking a photo
> > of the guy, he left, having negotiated with me to delete the picture.
> >
> > I think taking photographs without permission isn't a good thing, in
> > the same way as excluding someone from the space isn't a good thing.
> > But I don't think you either have the blanket right to do things
> > without being photographed, nor do I think that everyone gets to use
> > the space, no matter what. Clearly delineated public activist
> > recording shouldn't be an assumed state, but I'm okay with it being an
> > act you personally exercise on someone whose behaviour you believe to
> > be unexcellent.
> >
> > (I'm pretty tentative about this, and totally happy to be persuaded of
> > the opposite of this)
> >
> > d.
> 
> Rights and expectations aside, the excellence of photography without
> consent depends... In lieu of enumerating all of the possible cases...
> 
> Photographing someone who has been asked to leave by a consensus of people
> involved keeps Noisebridge safe.
> 
> Taking a photo of a sleeper on the napping pods without having made a good
> faith effort to get more information (attempting to wake the sleeper,
> asking around, having made observations prior, etc.) is invasive.
> 
> --Kevin
> 
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >> My 2c on protocol. I would be very disappointed if we had a queue of
> >> sleepers at every Tuesday meeting.
> >>
> >> --Kevin
> >>
> >>
> >> On 08/25/2013 02:53 AM, Jake wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Yes Jim that would help.  We need to figure out who the people are who
> >>> are
> >>> sleeping at noisebridge and ask them (when they're awake) to leave
> >>> until
> >>> they come talk about it at a meeting.
> >>>
> >>> thank you
> >>> -jake
> >>>
> >>> Jim wrote:
> >>>
> >>>     Would it help to take photos of sleepers
> >>> and print and post them for the rest of us
> >>> to identify?
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, 2013-08-24 at 05:10 -0700, Alexandra Glowaski wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> 7:3 sleepers to wakers; polite-but-firmness and t.A.T.u both failing.
> >>>> This is a solved problem: will try to pick up some very irritating
> >>>> kitchen timers befor I come in again. I trust we all know what to do.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Noisebridge-discuss mailing list
> >>> Noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
> >>> https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/noisebridge-discuss
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Noisebridge-discuss mailing list
> >> Noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
> >> https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/noisebridge-discuss
> >>
> >
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Noisebridge-discuss mailing list
> Noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
> https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/noisebridge-discuss