[Noisebridge-discuss] Why Consensus Kills Community

Mike Schachter cubicgoats at gmail.com
Sat Dec 14 19:21:25 UTC 2013

I think that dealing with what you perceive as "oddness" is a part of
dealing with a diverse set of people at Noisebridge. Sometimes while
teaching classes, certain individuals come to dominate discussions with
things that aren't on-topic. 100% of the time they were politely dealt with
(cut off) and the class continued. I'm not saying that my experience
teaching classes is the same as what happens at the meetings, only that I
understand how things can easily be sidetracked during a group meeting.

I think Madelynn's suggested approach for Freeside-like meetings are
viable, and in addition all meeting discussions should be heavily
moderated, enforcing strict time limits for discussions and debates. I'm
very enthusiastic about the idea of members voting on things remotely as
well. If I don't go to the meetings, it means I don't have time to go to
the meetings, it doesn't mean I don't care about Noisebridge.


On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 11:10 AM, Adrian Chadd <adrian.chadd at gmail.com>wrote:

> On 14 December 2013 11:01, Mike Schachter <cubicgoats at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Thanks Madelynn, I appreciate your post.
> >
> > When the associate member thing came around, I had to make a decision
> > whether to try to become an associate member or capital-M member. I
> attended
> > a Tuesday meeting, and Hillaire was up for captial-M membership.
> >
> > I was very surprised and disappointed to see him, or really anyone else,
> > rejected! It really turned me off to Noisebridge's entire membership
> > structure, and made me want to do the absolute minimum to be "accepted"
> into
> > a community which I've participated in for years.
> >
> > It doesn't make sense to me for new members to be accepted by consensus.
> > There is obviously a conflict-of-interest in the case where there are
> > opposing viewpoints between an existing member and a new one, and that
> keeps
> > Noisebridge's membership structure from being inclusive.
> >
> And I've been to a couple of Tuesday night meetings where the
> inclusiveness ended up with some very .. odd and counter-productive
> arguments. There's such a diversity of people that seem to show up to
> Noisebridge and pull it in a variety of directions that may arguably
> be good for the space as a whole.
> It swings multiple ways.
> -adrian
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