[Noisebridge-discuss] Thought crimes at Noisebridge, and how can we stop them?

[Madelynn Martiniere]

This makes very good sense, Jim. Johnny and Al expressed similar 
concerns, and I'm inclined to agree. I retract my suggestion about a 
separate list.

Cheers,
Madelynn
> jim <mailto:jim at systemateka.com>
> December 19, 2013 1:45 PM
> I believe I've got the gist right, retry:
>
> For people to participate in the list they
> must join it explicitly.
> For various reasons ("I don't care", "I'll
> get around to it later", "I'm not joining those
> fascists"...) many people will not join a
> specific list, hence the discussions will be
> among people who are interested at the time the
> list is announced.
> Note that one person's interest does not
> necessarily map well to everyone's interest.
> The tendency of list subscribers will be to
> develop a direction with respect to the personal
> views of the list subscribers. The result will
> likely be a policy proposal that has matured
> without benefit of dissent.
>
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> jim <mailto:jim at systemateka.com>
> December 19, 2013 12:46 PM
>
> This idea has come up in times past and
> not taken hold. The objection seems to be
> that a separate list ghetto-izes such
> discussions away from the general community.
> It's a pain to suffer through long
> discussions about which one is disinterested,
> and the remedy is to inspect the Subject:
> headings and ignore some.
> The benefit to keeping such discussions
> on the general discuss list is that everyone
> has access to the discussions, and any impetus
> developed by a limited group is immediately
> subject to inspection.
>
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> jim <mailto:jim at well.com>
> December 19, 2013 12:04 PM
> (My recollection is) originally we
> had declared that we must remember that
> members may participate in various, all
> valid, means: The Tuesday Night Meeting,
> IRC, various mailman lists....
> Managing these (and other) media is
> too great a job for any one person (and
> thanks for trying!).
> My take was to have faith in others
> and don't try to fix problems--let the
> group dynamics take their courses and
> hope for the best (and get active with
> respect to things that impinge directly).
>
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> Madelynn Martiniere <mailto:mmartiniere at gmail.com>
> December 18, 2013 7:41 PM
> Trying to find community is a thought crime? My bad, I didn't realize 
> the opinion of people who care about the future of the space were so 
> criminal.
>
> Considering this statement in your previous email:
> And let's be honest, Noisebridge in the last two years (or even from the
> beginning) hasn't been the best establishment to go flaunt around saying
> you're a member of. It's sort of like telling all your friends you're a
> paying member of the festering techno trash dump and care home for the
> socially dongz, while mice and rats run around inside your sports blazer.
>
> Are you saying that it's not worth fixing because it's so messed up? 
> Because if so, then you're in no position to tell other people not to 
> try. If you're that sick and tired of hearing other people try to fix 
> a broken system, then I would suggest the alternative of just not 
> participating in any discussion about the space. Just hack some 
> things, and leave the rest of us to find productive solutions.
>
> Cheers,
> Madelynn
>
>
>
> Rubin Abdi <mailto:rubin at starset.net>
> December 18, 2013 6:37 PM
> I'm getting sick and tired of people thinking they can fix Noisebridge.
> How can we put an end to this issue?
>
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