[Noisebridge-discuss] Thought crimes at Noisebridge, and how can we stop them?
jim
jim at systemateka.com
Thu Dec 19 22:09:38 UTC 2013
Nicely courteous, my thanks.
On Thu, 2013-12-19 at 14:00 -0800, Madelynn Martiniere wrote:
> This makes very good sense, Jim. Johnny and Al expressed similar
> concerns, and I'm inclined to agree. I retract my suggestion about a
> separate list.
>
> Cheers,
> Madelynn
> >
> > jim
> > December 19, 2013 1:45 PM
> > I believe I've got the gist right, retry:
> >
> > For people to participate in the list they
> > must join it explicitly.
> > For various reasons ("I don't care", "I'll
> > get around to it later", "I'm not joining those
> > fascists"...) many people will not join a
> > specific list, hence the discussions will be
> > among people who are interested at the time the
> > list is announced.
> > Note that one person's interest does not
> > necessarily map well to everyone's interest.
> > The tendency of list subscribers will be to
> > develop a direction with respect to the personal
> > views of the list subscribers. The result will
> > likely be a policy proposal that has matured
> > without benefit of dissent.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > jim
> > December 19, 2013 12:46 PM
> >
> > This idea has come up in times past and
> > not taken hold. The objection seems to be
> > that a separate list ghetto-izes such
> > discussions away from the general community.
> > It's a pain to suffer through long
> > discussions about which one is disinterested,
> > and the remedy is to inspect the Subject:
> > headings and ignore some.
> > The benefit to keeping such discussions
> > on the general discuss list is that everyone
> > has access to the discussions, and any impetus
> > developed by a limited group is immediately
> > subject to inspection.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > jim
> > December 19, 2013 12:04 PM
> > (My recollection is) originally we
> > had declared that we must remember that
> > members may participate in various, all
> > valid, means: The Tuesday Night Meeting,
> > IRC, various mailman lists....
> > Managing these (and other) media is
> > too great a job for any one person (and
> > thanks for trying!).
> > My take was to have faith in others
> > and don't try to fix problems--let the
> > group dynamics take their courses and
> > hope for the best (and get active with
> > respect to things that impinge directly).
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> > Madelynn Martiniere
> > December 18, 2013 7:41 PM
> > Trying to find community is a thought crime? My bad, I didn't
> > realize the opinion of people who care about the future of the space
> > were so criminal.
> >
> > Considering this statement in your previous email:
> > And let's be honest, Noisebridge in the last two years (or even from
> > the
> > beginning) hasn't been the best establishment to go flaunt around
> > saying
> > you're a member of. It's sort of like telling all your friends
> > you're a
> > paying member of the festering techno trash dump and care home for
> > the
> > socially dongz, while mice and rats run around inside your sports
> > blazer.
> >
> > Are you saying that it's not worth fixing because it's so messed up?
> > Because if so, then you're in no position to tell other people not
> > to try. If you're that sick and tired of hearing other people try to
> > fix a broken system, then I would suggest the alternative of just
> > not participating in any discussion about the space. Just hack some
> > things, and leave the rest of us to find productive solutions.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Madelynn
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Rubin Abdi
> > December 18, 2013 6:37 PM
> > I'm getting sick and tired of people thinking they can fix
> > Noisebridge.
> > How can we put an end to this issue?
> >
> >
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