[Noisebridge-discuss] Oppressive Behavior

hep dis at gruntle.org
Sun Dec 29 19:35:37 UTC 2013

agree with the above.

#1 being part of one minority community does not absolve you of use of
oppressive tools against another minority community.

#2 it is ALWAYS offensive when white people use the N word. I don't give a
fuck who told you ok. I don't give a fuck if you used it with "a" and not
"er". it is racist, offensive, and often when used with "positive intent"
(like in this case) has huge overtones of cultural appropriation.

#3 a "white person doing black lingo" is pretty much the definition of
cultural appropriation and oppression. if it is a white person who grew up
around communities of color and lower class communities where such "lingo"
is the norm, that is one thing. (shoutouts to eminem, who btw always took
it pretty hard for using the n word in his early work, something he has had
to repeatedly apologize for despite growing up in the culture where such
language was the norm.) but in that case a white person should be even more
aware of the politics surrounding the use of that word by a white person.
no free pass. it is one thing to be from classes where hiphop is the
prevailing music, and street culture is a part of your culture. it is
another to ignore centuries of oppression of one class of people, to ignore
the fact that today in white america people of color are still being
treated as second class citizens and  to ignore their voices about that
word being deployed by the class who kept them down.

Also: allies are allowed to call people out about oppression fyi. Just
because the person was a white man, doesn't make his point that that kind
of language is absolutely not ok. In fact, we NEED allies because often
people of color and other oppressed classes are talked over or ignored
unless and until a white male speaks up on their behalf.


On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 11:08 AM, Alexandra Glowaski <
alex.glowaski at gmail.com> wrote:

> I won't comment on this particular incident, but:
> • Building stuff / not building stuff has nothing to do with whether or
> not one is being a dick.
> • Being a part of one minority community doesn't give one a free pass
> regarding other communities - or even one's own. (There are plenty of women
> I consider grossly sexist, plenty of gay people who are considered racist
> or homophobic, plenty of racial-minority people who are homophobic and/or
> misogynist...)
> These dialogues help us become more wonderful, though...
> Stopped in yesterday and everybody was cozied up in front of the big
> projector, watching a live broadcast from 30c3. It's marvelous to have such
> a close connection with this event half a world away, attended by children
> of Consenso. Similarly, our dialogues are triggering others, and the
> ongoing discussion itself helps us create a better environment for hackers
> everywhere.
> take it easy,
> merlin.
> On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Johny Radio <johnyradio at gmail.com>wrote:
>>  A lesbian female hacker by the name of Sara came to hack at
>> Noisebridge. She cut some bookshelves for her tiny new abode, and built a
>> platform for her bed.
>> This lesbian female hacker is also a fledgling comedienne. Part of her
>> cultural background (like mine) is rap music and lyrics. She's been know to
>> sling some street lingo, including the "N" word.
>> (warning, the following sentence may violate Noisebridge's harrassment
>> policy; if anyone bans me from noisebridge as a result, i shall respect
>> that)
>> According to herself, Sara used the "n" word at Noisebridge, as part of
>> her white lesbian does black lingo persona. Prolly something along the
>> lines of "Whatup, my nigga?"
>> Sara was forced out of Noisebridge by Pigeon for using "oppressive
>> language", after a lot of accusational shouting.
>> Is it an act of oppression, when a lesbian female hacker (builds
>> stuff) is driven out of Noisebridge, with hostility, by a white male
>> non-hacker (doesn't build anything) for "using oppressive language"?
>> Or does it just prove how wonderful Noisebridge has become?
>> Johny Radio
>> Communication is healthier than accusation
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