[Noisebridge-discuss] Keeping associate members in their place

[Al Sweigart]

Every other time I've proposed this? I've never proposed this before,
Danny. And checking the Consensus Items History wiki page which goes back
three years, no one else has either.

People have been grumbling about consensus for a long time, but no one has
ever actually brought up the issue.

I did write one email to you and Mitch and couple others like two years ago
about this, and you replied that you didn't think getting rid of consensus
would solve any of Noisebridge's problem. Actually, I'm still unsure what
your position on this is to begin with: Would you yourself block replacing
consensus with majority voting?


On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 7:58 PM, Danny O'Brien <danny at spesh.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 7:06 PM, Al Sweigart <asweigart at gmail.com> wrote:
> > It's in the meeting notes:
> > https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Meeting_Notes_2013_12_17
> >
> > Basically, Danny blocks because other people would block. Kevin blocks
> > because Noisebridge is a collaborative space and majority voting would
> undo
> > or impinge on that. I encourage them (or anyone else) to correct this
> > description, but it's what I came away from the meeting with. (And, of
> > course, if Danny and Kevin don't have time to reply to the list, that
> > doesn't mean they implicitly agree with my description.)
> >
>
> Al, I didn't block. It's the first week. You can't block then. You're
> just supposed to mull things around a bit, and chew a hay stalk while
> you do so. I am, however, allowed to express my opinion that this
> would not go anywhere. I may be wrong.
>
> > The "other people who would block" I can only take a guess at, and half
> of
> > them aren't even living in SF anymore. If I try to read people's minds
> about
> > this issue I'm going to fail; I'd rather have them chime in on the
> mailing
> > list or show up at a meeting if they have strong feelings about this.
>
> Maybe a good way of finding out people's feelings is by going through
> the mailing list and reading people's replies every other time you've
> proposed this?
>
> d.
>
> >
> > -Al
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 6:49 PM, Rubin Abdi <rubin at starset.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> Al Sweigart wrote, On 2013-12-18 18:44:
> >> > The most common tactic in Noisebridge politics is to get people to
> stop
> >> > speaking up about issues.
> >>
> >> Then that sounds like an entirely different issue that needs attention.
> >> Don't cut off the finger when all that is needed is a bandage.
> >>
> >> If I were you I would call out those members.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Rubin
> >> rubin at starset.net
> >>
> >
> >
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