[Noisebridge-discuss] Neutral Pronoun "E" Version 3

[Charles Tang]

Gender Trouble.


On 22 December 2013 11:15, Hannah Grimm <dharlette at gmail.com> wrote:

> I prefer to use terms like "they/them" when trying to be gender neutral,
> because you can use them and have people immediately understand exactly
> what you mean, whereas most folks haven't heard of constructed terms like
> e/ze.  This is especially true if someone expresses a preference for these
> terms, like Pidgeon has.  Lets try to be respectful and use their preferred
> terms when referring to them.
>
> Gerunds can be really a useful tool for eliminating pronouns altogether.
>  For example, instead of saying "I think he made a thoughtless, but
> unintentional, mistake when *he* referred to Pigeon with the wrong
> pronouns" you could say "I think he made a thoughtless, but unintentional,
> mistake when referr*ing* to Pigeon with the wrong pronouns."
>
> With that said, it's understandable that we will occasionally muck up,
> because it's really hard to break lifelong habits.  What matters is how we
> act when those mistakes are pointed out: do we get defensive and angry, or
> do we apologize and try to do better in the future?  I generally start with
> the assumption that people aren't being malicious unless they do it
> repeatedly or act poorly when called out on it.
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 12:12 AM, Tom Lowenthal <me at tomlowenthal.com>wrote:
>
>> Paul Monad <immonad at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > Correction,  my main objection was that Pigeon was 1.  He was asked to
>> leave
>> > by Rayc two days before and not return before the next Tuesday meeting.
>> He
>> > did not honor that .  2.  When asked to leave again for that reason by a
>> > group of six or seven people he refused.
>>
>> Tom Lowenthal <me at tomlowenthal.com> wrote:
>> > Monad I think that it's pretty unfortunate that you chose to use “he”
>> > to describe Pigeon here, despite being asked multiple times to use the
>> > pronoun “they”. That's pretty disrespectful, especially while we're
>> > actually having a conversation about pronoun needs.
>>
>> On 22 December 2013 01:32, Paul Monad <immonad at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > Thank you I stand corrected.  Forgot E may be reading this.
>>
>> Monad, you don't get to pick Pigeon's pronouns. Pigeon has stated a
>> preference for “they”, not “he”, not “e”, but “they”. Please use
>> “they” what talking about Pigeon. It doesn't matter whether they're
>> reading it, it still shows a lack of respect not to use their
>> preferred pronouns.
>> -Tom
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