[Noisebridge-discuss] Mesh Thursdays @ Noisebridge?

Sat Feb 9 08:29:26 UTC 2013

Thanks for the quick reply, Jonathan.

To be a little clearer on my position: I'm working on a mesh project for my
particular neighborhood (Excelsior/Mission Terrace) that is not reliant
upon the Internet, but perhaps has gateways here and there. My vision is a
quasi-darknet with community-building services such as streaming media
(educational/cc-license/etc), bulletin boards, voip (if manageable),
local-business sites, and maybe even social networking.

>From what I understand, scaling up directly can be difficult, but if
working in network clusters, traffic might be easier to manage. I'm not
definitely sure, but I'm intent to find out.

I plan to document my journey as much as possible with videos and other
media. I'd like to make this as easy for other neighborhoods to replicate
(and innovate) as possible and hopefully we can make connections between
our neighborhoods.

I do, however, want to exchange experiences and advice (I'd probably
receive more than I could offer), to increase interest in mesh in general
and also encourage more energy to be invested in mesh deployment and
field-testing.

Johnathan, I might wait before I request time if you're busy. I'm still in
an early-development phase. I'd like to have a little more experience to
have more fruitful conversations in the future.

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ALL:

I'll be at Noisebridge every Thursday @ 6pm. (Seems that early mornings
don't work for most people.) I will likely only have my laptop and be doing
research on what's going on in the mesh world. I might bring a router in
every now and then or some other related device.

I'll head to the Sudo Room @ 7:30pm for the 830pm meeting.

I'd like to put it on the calendar, but I don't know if I need to have
participants first or what. I'm definitely going to follow this schedule
though, so if anyone wants to stop by, please do! My life currently
revolves around my family and mesh.

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On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 4:31 PM, Jonathan Lassoff <jof at thejof.com> wrote:

> Hey Alcides, I'm quite interested in making mesh and other dynamic
> topologies work well, however it's quite tough.
>
> In my spare time, I've been volunteering for a small group that works
> with one person in the Department of Technology in the SF Government
> that coordinates connecting up city optical fiber and RF tower access
> to public housing and other public sites (like libraries, etc.) to
> provide free WiFi to those that need it most.
> We often refer to this project as the "Community Broadband Network" (CBN).
>
> It's not really mesh, but instead a network of fixed links, many of
> which are 802.11a/Ubiquiti Airmax.
> Noisebridge hosts a node that we were going to utilize for access, but
> it feeds off of an AP on Twin Peaks that is way overloaded and
> RF-noisy. We get terrible, near-useless throughput.
> There is another fiber-backed site at 19th and Mission we could
> connect via, but would need to construct a taller tower to see over
> one tall building in the way. Or, if we can get some other building on
> the West side of Mission between 18th and 19th, we could do a
> multi-point leg.
>
>
> SFLAN is all but stagnant at this point. The Internet Archive still
> keeps some nodes online and keeps the transit flowing. However,
> there's not much in the way of centralized management or growth.
>
>
> I've been experimenting with 802.11s (open80211s in Linux) and OpenWRT
> to build small mesh cells for local transport. However, it's been
> tough going, and scaling it up is proving challenging.
>
> The hardest part about making mesh work on a large scale is figuring
> out how to coordinate spectrum management and tuning, without a
> central authority or management group controlling everything.
> This is the problem I'm most interested in solving well.
>
>
> I'd be interested in meeting up some Thursdays, but can't commit my
> time at this point. However, I'll keep it in mind. Ping me when you're
> headed over sometime, and I'll come visit.
>
> Cheers,
> jof
>
> On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 4:02 PM, Alcides Gutierrez <alcides888 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Havent checked SFLAN. I heard some mention of towers on sutro last night.
> > Think it was a reference to Monkeybrains though. Also heard something
> about
> > a city tech guy (SF). Interested to learn more about infernet archive
> mesh
> > and nbers that are trying to reach it. Thanks for reaching out.
> >
> > Alcides Gutierrez
> > http://e64.us
> >
> > On Feb 8, 2013 2:07 PM, "Danny O'Brien" <danny at spesh.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Fri, Feb 08, 2013 at 01:13:53PM -0800, Alcides Gutierrez wrote:
> >> > Hi all. I went to a mesh meeting at sudo room last night and there is
> a
> >> > good
> >> > discussion about actually exploring and testing mesh in oakland. They
> >> > meet
> >> > weekly @ 830 and I would very much like to continue making it to those
> >> > meetings.
> >> >
> >> > Im hoping we here in san francisco can also cook up a mesh effort. I
> >> > couldnt
> >> > find anyfhing on the wiki calendar. So Im proposing a meetup on
> >> > thursdays maybe
> >> > around 600pm-730ish? I would then be heading to sudo room to
> participate
> >> > their.
> >> > Would be nice to have company on bart.
> >> >
> >> > Any interest in this?
> >> >
> >> > Alcides Gutierrez
> >> > http://e64.us
> >> >
> >>
> >> That sounds really interesting! Have you spoken with the SFLAN folks?
> >> The Internet Archive was looking at providing a wifi mesh, and I know
> >> Noisebridgers have been trying to reach their link (on Sutro I think) to
> >> expand it.
> >>
> >> Ccing Jof who may know a good contact.
> >>
> >> d.
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >>
> >
>

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Alcides Gutierrez
http://e64.us
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