[Noisebridge-discuss] [sudo-discuss] Announcement - RockIT CoLabs

[Andrew]

Or just get over it and realize that "hackerspaces" are so far removed from
any real historical context that there is no such thing as a "true"
hackerspace. I could call my bedroom a hackerspace for all the good it
does. and my couch a "hacker" cause it can also be a bed. Culture wars will
get you nothing but shity, stale, overanalized dead horses we like to
parade as culture.

--Andrew


On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 10:48 PM, Sonja Trauss <sonja.trauss at gmail.com>wrote:

> No, actual solution: people who are attached to a certain idea of a
> hackerspace give a hard time to people who aren't/ had a different idea.
> People on each side decide whether and how much to adjust their behavior or
> beliefs to avoid future interpersonal unpleasantness.
>
>
> On Sunday, July 7, 2013, Jehan Tremback wrote:
>
>> Possible solution: Trademark the term "hackerspace", sue those who do not
>> meet stringent ideological requirements.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 9:29 PM, Sonja Trauss <sonja.trauss at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>> hackerspaces are combination office space and utopian capital sharing
>> experiment, not to be confused with just shared work space. A place where
>> "all you get is a desk and an internet connection" isn't a hackerspace,
>> it's just a shared work space, even if the people are doing programming for
>> work.
>> I'm not surprised at all to see someone who's into hackerspaces for the
>> second reason get annoyed when he thinks a hackerspce is getting confused
>> with a work space.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 4:01 PM, David Rorex <drorex at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Seriously, give the guy a break. It's attitudes like Marc's that drive
>> away people from the "true" hackerspaces. Live and let live: just because
>> his space has a different organizational model than yours doesn't mean it's
>> some sort of evil masterplan to steal all your members and get rich by
>> squeezing money out of them. There are spaces in sf / oakland that charge
>> $250 a month and all you get is a desk and an internet connection. There's
>> room for a whole spectrum of spaces in the bay area. Mitch Altman's dream
>> is a day where there are more hackerspaces than liquor stores.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 4:27 PM, Steve Berl <steveberl at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Seems like sort of a blend of Tech Liminal, Techshop, and a hacker space.
>> Not clear why you think it's a bad thing. I don't see it claiming to be
>> anything that it is not.
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>> On Monday, July 1, 2013, Marc Juul wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 3:54 PM, J.C. <r33lmm at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 3:48 PM, Darren Overby <darren at rockitcolabs.com>wrote:
>>
>> Excuse the interruption Noisebridge fans,
>>
>> In the interest of possible cross-pollination, I wanted to let you know
>> about a new place to hack - RocSounds like a crap attempt at kIT CoLabs<http://www.rockitcolabs.com/noisebridge-invite>.
>>
>>
>>
>> Co-working? yes
>>
>> Makerspace? yah
>>
>> Tech startups? check
>>
>> $200 monthly dues? yep
>>
>> For profit? nothing stated to the contrary. seems likely.
>>
>> Hierarchical organizational structure? assumed guilty until proven
>> innocent
>>
>> Attempt to make their business venture more successful by luring in
>> hackers from local non-profits? sounds like it
>>
>> "People frequently ask me how I came to be such an unconventional thinker
>> and unusual serial entrepreneur. ... " -- Darren Overby
>>
>> By being unusually modest? No? Oh, wait, is the answer: By co-opting
>> existing open communities into for-profit organizations?
>>
>> If this is actually a non-hierarchical non-profit, then color me
>> embarrassed.
>>
>> Someone please let me know that I'm wrong. Please.
>>
>> --
>> Marc
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> -steve
>>
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