[Noisebridge-discuss] Anarchist? Libertarian?

[Snail]

TBH, I added that quote to the wiki when a handful of us were brainstorming
possible alternative bylaws that would satisfy California 501c3
requirements without being a boring, dull template.
https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Policy_Wonks This was not because we agreed
with the statement 100% but because we wanted to not go overboard. - I
don't think we were aiming to make Noisebridge more or less anarchist than
we were aiming to amuse ourselves.

That wiki page also states I am a facist, which may or may not be true.


On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 2:00 PM, Johny Radio <johnyradio at gmail.com> wrote:

>  Snail snailtsunami at gmail.com, Wed Jul 31 19:19:00 UTC 2013 wrote:
>
> >We attract a lot of anarchists or anarchist-interested, and also some
> libertarians and libertarian-interested, because ...we don't have big lists
> of rules... People like to throw around the word "anarchism" in Noisebridge
> or they are saying it kind of jokingly because of how non-organized we are
> & that is what they think anarchy is [chaos], whether that's correct or not.
>
> You're right, Snail. Anarchy does not mean "chaos", that's a common
> misconception. In my view NB has chaos, not for political reasons, but for
> immaturity reasons-- kinda like, when i was a kid my bedroom was always a
> mess.
>
> Nor does Anarchy mean "no rules", as i discussed in my post, "Anarchy Is
> Not Anti-Structure".
>
> https://www.noisebridge.net/pipermail/noisebridge-discuss/2013-May/037095.html
>
> Although, there's some debate about this. In January 2012, Snail created a
> page on the wiki titled "Against policy". Snail quotes an Anarchist essay,
> titled "Fragments of an Anarchist Anthropology". So I guess, Snail, you are
> one of the Anarchists or anarchist-interested that you mentioned, and you
> quoted an Anarchist essay on the Noisebridge wiki in support of having no
> rules at Noisebridge.
>
> The notion of “policy” presumes a state or governing apparatus which
> imposes its will on others.
> https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Against_policy_(a_tiny_manifesto)
>
>
> My response:
>
> If people manage their own affairs by collectively developing a policy
> which they accept and agree to willingly, then they cannot legitimately
> complain of a government imposing its will on them.
>
>
> When i refer to anarchistic aspects of NB, I'm talking about aspects which
> i believe are intentionally inspired by and informed by Anarchist Theory:
> leaderlessness and Consensus. These are baked into Noisebridge, by
> intentional design, and they are Anarchist. It seems the "no rules" aspect
> of NB was also inspired by anarchism. So, I'm not sure why anyone would be
> surprised that someone would think NB is an anarchist project.
>
> But what's the shame? Anarchy contributes a valuable deconstructionist
> perspective-- it's anti-fascist, and I cannot argue with that.
>
> But personally, I think a group can be non-fascist, pro-liberty, and still
> have some common sense, communally-agreed on policies, which protect people
> from those who would impose their own freedoms in a way that restricts the
> freedoms of others.
>
> Like, "dogs who bite people and start dog fights are not allowed."
>
>
> Johny Radio
>
> Stick It In Your Ear!
>
>


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