[Noisebridge-discuss] It has come to my attention that...

Lillian Fleurs lillian.fleurs at gmail.com
Mon Jun 17 20:02:05 UTC 2013

I wasn't accusing you of Cocaine use either, I was just adding that I
suspected you were on some sort of substance due to out of character
behavior on your behalf. From my experiences being around others on
cocaine, I had suspected it was that.

On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 12:46 PM, Lillian Fleurs
<lillian.fleurs at gmail.com>wrote:

> You tried to unzip my pants for me, that's what initially made me
> uncomfortable. You reached around my body, putting your hands very near my
> genitals and began to unzip my pants for me. That's when I tensed up and
> asked you what the fuck you were doing. You made me far too tense and
> uncomfortable to receive a shot from you. It also wasn't until Kim came
> into the room offering you weed that you actually left. Dante was not in
> the room when it happened, it was only you and I. However Dante did see my
> fear, shock and discomfort after the incident. And it was Dante who helped
> calm me down enough to be able to receive my estrogen injection.
> The email I sent to Tony, which was later sent to Liz is word for word
> what happened. Below is a screenshot.
> [image: Inline image 1]
> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 12:13 PM, Andrew Byrne <andrew at pachakutech.com>wrote:
>> Since this is all out on the list, I feel the need to present my side; it
>> is clear to me now what this is.
>> For a few weeks, Lillian had asked of I could give her one of her
>> supplemental estrogen shots, and one night I was at NoiseBridge when
>> Lillian asked me to give her her shot. I said sure, she climbed up, laid
>> down on the table, and pulled down her jeans enough to expose her buttocks,
>> I readied the injection and placed my left hand on the back of her upper
>> thigh. She stiffened, and told me that she felt uncomfortable, so I
>> stopped, moved away, apologized for the discomfort and then left the room.
>> There was never a "what the fuck are you doing?".
>> It's pretty rich that /she/ is accusing me of cocaine use. It's not out
>> of my experience, but as I have dopamine insensitivity--ADD--the stuff
>> doesn't have the pleasure response for me that justifies the absurd prices;
>> that and the killing South Americans bit.
>> Unfortunately, the only other witness in the room was Dante I think Dante
>> was expelled from the Tuesday meeting two weeks ago and is unquestionably
>> her "other people"--Dante got angry when I sent him an email invitation to
>> a 'digital feminine' salon b/c he doesn't see himself as feminine and
>> started this whole process about three weeks after Lillian left; it was
>> then that Lillian "unfriended" me on Fb. That only sounds trite until I add
>> that she accepted my friend request after leaving SF for wherever she is
>> now.
>> I'd still like to drag up the Dante incident, as there were several
>> witnesses on my side and a documented willful misrepresentation to Liz on
>> Dante's. I would like to ask Liz now to retain copies of her emails
>> regarding this for possible subpoena.
>> A friend? No you saw me as a rube.
>> -dru
>> On Jun 17, 2013 11:06 AM, "Lillian Fleurs" <lillian.fleurs at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> Well maybe you should have thought about these things before you pinned
>>> me down on a table and began unzipping my pants without any permission at
>>> all, refusing to stop even after I froze in fear asking what the fuck you
>>> were doing. I was shaken after that. I used to like you Drew, and it took
>>> me so long to report anything because I was worried about hurting someone I
>>> thought was a good person. You seemed to be high on cocaine or something,
>>> which initially allowed me to excuse the behavior. It wasn't until other
>>> people made me realize this wasn't just a one off incident that I decided
>>> to report what had happened. I recall you making creepy sexual comments
>>> about others way before this incident too, so looking back now I don't find
>>> what happened surprising and I probably could have prevented being violated.
>>> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 12:33 AM, Andrew Byrne <andrew at pachakutech.com>wrote:
>>>> I would also like to point out the assumption of my guilt throughout
>>>> this discourse; I was told I was considered a sexual predator by the
>>>> anarcho-fem community a week before being contacted officially, and this
>>>> hateful trope has been driving me away from the space since. It will
>>>> doubtless screw with my social life for another few months and affects me
>>>> professionally; I can't even get a response from Mozilla's bug network now,
>>>> thanks to this. I know, hard to empathize with someone the mediator is
>>>> calling out, but once this is cleared up, I'd like this experience well
>>>> documented -dru
>>>>  On Jun 16, 2013 9:29 PM, "Liz Henry" <lizhenry at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> I would also like for this to be discussed again in a meeting. I
>>>>> brought this up at the meeting not last week but the week before. But, I
>>>>> have not been in the greatest of health and have missed a lot of meetings.
>>>>> It was also brought to my attention that Jesse Z. wants to come back
>>>>> to Noisebridge.   I do not think this is a good idea.  Basically, I don't
>>>>> want to be around people who have behaved in the ways that either Jesse and
>>>>> Dru have behaved.
>>>>> There are so many good things about Noisebridge, and about its
>>>>> openness.  To keep that good for as many people as possible we do need to
>>>>> have good boundaries.  And ask people who have shown great disrespect for
>>>>> others by non consensual behavior to stay away and work out their issues to
>>>>> learn better behavior in some other context, rather than being in the
>>>>> middle of an space without much in the way of rules or safety.  Sexual
>>>>> assault and other violent behavior destroys our ability to trust each
>>>>> other. I want to be able to trust people at NB, and to be able to tell
>>>>> others they are likely relatively safe there.
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Liz
>>>>> On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 8:41 PM, Lillian Fleurs <
>>>>> lillian.fleurs at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> A member of the community known as Andrew "Dru" Byrne has yet to be
>>>>>> kicked out of the community. Right before I moved he did some EXTREMELY
>>>>>> inappropriate and non consensual things to me that extend far beyond
>>>>>> creepy. I sent some emails to Tony "LeTigre", who then forwarded them to
>>>>>> Liz. I had asked both of them to keep what had happened to me anonymous.
>>>>>> I'm coming out of anonymity because it appears nothing has been done to get
>>>>>> rid of someone who poses a high threat to other members of the community
>>>>>> (both male and female, trans and cis).
>>>>>> Unfortunately since I no longer live in San Francisco, I can not show
>>>>>> up to a Noisebridge meeting but I would like this issue brought up, because
>>>>>> others who still use the space have expressed to me that they don't feel
>>>>>> safe around Andrew either.
>>>>>> I'm sorry for the drama, but I'm not the one who started it.
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>>>>> --
>>>>> .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .
>>>>> Liz Henry
>>>>> lhenry at mozilla.com
>>>>> lizhenry at gmail.com
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