[Noisebridge-discuss] [SPAM] Re: Red asked to leave.

Eric W. Rasmussen ewr at majortek.com
Tue Jun 18 03:58:44 UTC 2013


Weev was allowed to preach his racism as much as he wanted. So yes, it 
is condoned.



On 06/17/2013 07:03 PM, hep wrote:
> i am also so not ok with this it isn't even funny. are people in the 
> community honestly trying to say that people with racist views are 
> 100% ok in this community? i am not even going to get into how 
> offensive and ridiculous it is to either speculate that this is some 
> "infiltration ink", that it is somehow benign ink, that there is some 
> "legit ok" use of white power or nationalist beliefs around "the white 
> race" or how incredibly offensive it is to even bring UP in the 
> context of black power, brown power (both movements about *reclaiming* 
> power for minorities which was lost or denied under racist society 
> practices), or any kind of actual ethnic pride.
>
> THERE IS NO WHITE RACE. RACE IS A SOCIAL CONSTRUCT. PEOPLE BELIEVING 
> IN SOME SORT OF ELEVATED WHITE RACE WHICH THEY NEED TO HAVE POWER FOR 
> OR PRIDE IN ARE ALWAYS, ALWAYS BEING RACIST END OF STORY.
>
> There is a HUGE FUCKING DIFFERENCE between being proud of one's ethnic 
> heritage (irish pride, russian pride, german pride, etc etc) and 
> sporting ANY kind of white power attitudes. Anyone defending this is 
> defending racism, plain and simple.
>
> note: i am not talking to liz or snail here fyi, i am just including 
> this whole thread so we can once again marvel at how fucked up it is.
>
> -hep
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 5:27 PM, Liz Henry <lizhenry at gmail.com 
> <mailto:lizhenry at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     Snail you are not the only one, this is ridiculous and
>     embarrassing.  If someone has a white power tattoo that they
>     hypothetically regret, they can cover it up out of shame and
>     regret, and so as not to piss off, insult, and alarm everyone not
>     racist in their vicinity. So, fuck that guy.
>
>     I am glad someone had the sense, twice, to kick him out.   That
>     speaks well for noisebridge's culture, even if some people on the
>     list are like Oh No What About Mr Nazi's Feelings.
>
>     Anyone else who wants to reveal their overtly racist body
>     modifications feel free to show them off so that we know to kick
>     you the hell out of the space.
>
>     Cheerfully,
>
>
>     - Liz
>
>
>     On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 5:18 PM, Snail <snailtsunami at gmail.com
>     <mailto:snailtsunami at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>         ....
>
>         Am I the only one here reading these two comments and saying
>         "WHAT THE EVERLASTING FUCK?? HOW ARE YOU SO OK WITH THIS. I AM
>         NOT OK WITH THIS. THIS IS NOT OK."
>
>         I don't feel very casual or comfortable at all about someone
>         waltzing around with a white power slogan, whether they "mean
>         it" or not. If they didn't "mean it" they would know better,
>         they would know to cover it up, because this shit is scary.
>
>
>         On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 5:08 PM, Andrew Byrne
>         <andrew at pachakutech.com <mailto:andrew at pachakutech.com>> wrote:
>
>             I've known people--skinheads--who've infiltrated violent
>             racist skinhead groups with great success; I realize
>             people have a lot of reasons to get inked and he may enjoy
>             being approached about it in a friendly, initially
>             non-judgmental manner. If he's going to be a regular, I'd
>             like to be able to explain to others why I'm OK with him
>             being here.
>             -dru
>
>             On Jun 17, 2013 4:35 PM, "maestro" <maestro415 at gmail.com
>             <mailto:maestro415 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>                 # some beings want you to walk on eggshells even @ NB.
>                 # bet you 73 bitcoins if it was a black chick with ink
>                 that said>>
>                 # black pride or black power or another culture doing
>                 the same>>
>                 # NO ONE would say a word about it, especially to them.
>                 # do they actually know what the asian ink SAYS and
>                 MEANS>>
>                 # that comes through the house?
>                 # the latino ink?
>                 # the russian ink?
>                 # the invisible ink?
>                 # nope.
>
>                 # +1 jim
>                 # and white power isn't always a racial slogan it's
>                 the rascist minds>>
>                 # and race baiters that interpret it that way and want
>                 others to.
>                 # though of course it *is* used by beings with
>                 negative intonation.
>                 # how does anyone know he didn't do it in the pen to
>                 get affiliated and>>
>                 # survive.
>
>                 end comments
>
>
>
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