[Noisebridge-discuss] It has come to my attention that...

Lillian Fleurs lillian.fleurs at gmail.com
Tue Jun 18 05:11:33 UTC 2013

My pants never came off for you. You attempted to unzip them without my
permission. Despite feeling violated I gave you the benifit of the doubt
and wasn't originally going to report what had happened. It was OTHER
people who had convinced me that you posed a sexual threat outside the
incident with me. The fact that you keep defending yourself from these
actions is sickening and honestly I hope justice will come, you disgusting
perverted pig. Learn some self control, consent, and respect for other
people's bodies. You don't deserve to be a part of such an amazing
community like Noisebridge.

On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 8:46 PM, Andrew Byrne <andrew at pachakutech.com>wrote:

> To get this straight, You say you had handed me a syringe with medication
> in it, don't remember how your pants came off, and thought I confused the
> entire affair with a sexual advance ...until you had heard from another
> person that I had given them a massage in the hackertorium and then weeks
> later blew off an e-mail from them. Seeing the similarities between these
> behaviors, you contacted Liz through Tony, and are angry I am still allowed
> in the space. Is that a fair summary?
> On Jun 17, 2013 7:58 PM, "Lillian Fleurs" <lillian.fleurs at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> I thought you had administered the shot on me before, but if that's the
>> case then I must be mixing you up with someone else who had previously
>> helped me. Either way, you made me feel violated, and inappropriately put
>> your hands where you did not have permission to put them. I wouldn't have
>> pushed this case had others not told me they had similar experiences with
>> you. I figured it was a single instance case and originally excused your
>> behavior because I assumed you were on some sort of substance and had
>> confused me saying "give me my shot in my butt" for something sexual.
>> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 7:38 PM, Andrew Byrne <andrew at pachakutech.com>wrote:
>>> You know, if I was trying to build a case in my own self-interest here,
>>> I'd just let this stand, but I have never administered any medication to
>>> you, ever. -dru
>>>  On Jun 17, 2013 6:31 PM, "Lillian Fleurs" <lillian.fleurs at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> @Gavin: It's possible that I can do a video chat for the meeting. If
>>>> anyone wants to help set that up, feel free to send me a private email.
>>>> @Ron: I'd honestly rather not get the law enforcement involved. Having
>>>> to deal with court cases in an entirely different city is not something I
>>>> want to even bother spending my time doing, not to mention the fact that I
>>>> don't believe any crime is worth locking a human being up. I just want this
>>>> brought up at a meeting so the people who have been feeling far too
>>>> uncomfortable to show up at Noisebridge can once again feel safe.
>>>> @Andrew: I don't recall exposing myself after you reached around my
>>>> body, all I remember is not being able to look at you and feeling heavily
>>>> violated by your inappropriate touch. You had administered my shot before
>>>> without violating my personal space, so perhaps you're mixing it up with
>>>> one of those times.
>>>> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 3:54 PM, Andrew Byrne <andrew at pachakutech.com>wrote:
>>>>> Ah yes, this I remember. You laid down on the table, I moved to unzip
>>>>> your pants, you deferred, unzipped them with your hand, then exposed
>>>>> yourself for the medical administration you had asked for.
>>>>> Humbly submitted to the daylight of public opinion; I've got nothing
>>>>> to hide and I'm glad this is being recorded by the publicly searchable
>>>>> Google alongside the NSA.
>>>>> On Jun 17, 2013 12:46 PM, "Lillian Fleurs" <lillian.fleurs at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> You tried to unzip my pants for me, that's what initially made me
>>>>>> uncomfortable. You reached around my body, putting your hands very near my
>>>>>> genitals and began to unzip my pants for me. That's when I tensed up and
>>>>>> asked you what the fuck you were doing. You made me far too tense and
>>>>>> uncomfortable to receive a shot from you. It also wasn't until Kim came
>>>>>> into the room offering you weed that you actually left. Dante was not in
>>>>>> the room when it happened, it was only you and I. However Dante did see my
>>>>>> fear, shock and discomfort after the incident. And it was Dante who helped
>>>>>> calm me down enough to be able to receive my estrogen injection.
>>>>>> The email I sent to Tony, which was later sent to Liz is word for
>>>>>> word what happened. Below is a screenshot.
>>>>>> [image: Inline image 1]
>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 12:13 PM, Andrew Byrne <
>>>>>> andrew at pachakutech.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Since this is all out on the list, I feel the need to present my
>>>>>>> side; it is clear to me now what this is.
>>>>>>> For a few weeks, Lillian had asked of I could give her one of her
>>>>>>> supplemental estrogen shots, and one night I was at NoiseBridge when
>>>>>>> Lillian asked me to give her her shot. I said sure, she climbed up, laid
>>>>>>> down on the table, and pulled down her jeans enough to expose her buttocks,
>>>>>>> I readied the injection and placed my left hand on the back of her upper
>>>>>>> thigh. She stiffened, and told me that she felt uncomfortable, so I
>>>>>>> stopped, moved away, apologized for the discomfort and then left the room.
>>>>>>> There was never a "what the fuck are you doing?".
>>>>>>> It's pretty rich that /she/ is accusing me of cocaine use. It's not
>>>>>>> out of my experience, but as I have dopamine insensitivity--ADD--the stuff
>>>>>>> doesn't have the pleasure response for me that justifies the absurd prices;
>>>>>>> that and the killing South Americans bit.
>>>>>>> Unfortunately, the only other witness in the room was Dante I think
>>>>>>> Dante was expelled from the Tuesday meeting two weeks ago and is
>>>>>>> unquestionably her "other people"--Dante got angry when I sent him an email
>>>>>>> invitation to a 'digital feminine' salon b/c he doesn't see himself as
>>>>>>> feminine and started this whole process about three weeks after Lillian
>>>>>>> left; it was then that Lillian "unfriended" me on Fb. That only sounds
>>>>>>> trite until I add that she accepted my friend request after leaving SF for
>>>>>>> wherever she is now.
>>>>>>> I'd still like to drag up the Dante incident, as there were several
>>>>>>> witnesses on my side and a documented willful misrepresentation to Liz on
>>>>>>> Dante's. I would like to ask Liz now to retain copies of her emails
>>>>>>> regarding this for possible subpoena.
>>>>>>> A friend? No you saw me as a rube.
>>>>>>> -dru
>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2013 11:06 AM, "Lillian Fleurs" <lillian.fleurs at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Well maybe you should have thought about these things before you
>>>>>>>> pinned me down on a table and began unzipping my pants without any
>>>>>>>> permission at all, refusing to stop even after I froze in fear asking what
>>>>>>>> the fuck you were doing. I was shaken after that. I used to like you Drew,
>>>>>>>> and it took me so long to report anything because I was worried about
>>>>>>>> hurting someone I thought was a good person. You seemed to be high on
>>>>>>>> cocaine or something, which initially allowed me to excuse the behavior. It
>>>>>>>> wasn't until other people made me realize this wasn't just a one off
>>>>>>>> incident that I decided to report what had happened. I recall you making
>>>>>>>> creepy sexual comments about others way before this incident too, so
>>>>>>>> looking back now I don't find what happened surprising and I probably could
>>>>>>>> have prevented being violated.
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 12:33 AM, Andrew Byrne <
>>>>>>>> andrew at pachakutech.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I would also like to point out the assumption of my guilt
>>>>>>>>> throughout this discourse; I was told I was considered a sexual predator by
>>>>>>>>> the anarcho-fem community a week before being contacted officially, and
>>>>>>>>> this hateful trope has been driving me away from the space since. It will
>>>>>>>>> doubtless screw with my social life for another few months and affects me
>>>>>>>>> professionally; I can't even get a response from Mozilla's bug network now,
>>>>>>>>> thanks to this. I know, hard to empathize with someone the mediator is
>>>>>>>>> calling out, but once this is cleared up, I'd like this experience well
>>>>>>>>> documented -dru
>>>>>>>>>  On Jun 16, 2013 9:29 PM, "Liz Henry" <lizhenry at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I would also like for this to be discussed again in a meeting. I
>>>>>>>>>> brought this up at the meeting not last week but the week before. But, I
>>>>>>>>>> have not been in the greatest of health and have missed a lot of meetings.
>>>>>>>>>> It was also brought to my attention that Jesse Z. wants to come
>>>>>>>>>> back to Noisebridge.   I do not think this is a good idea.  Basically, I
>>>>>>>>>> don't want to be around people who have behaved in the ways that either
>>>>>>>>>> Jesse and Dru have behaved.
>>>>>>>>>> There are so many good things about Noisebridge, and about its
>>>>>>>>>> openness.  To keep that good for as many people as possible we do need to
>>>>>>>>>> have good boundaries.  And ask people who have shown great disrespect for
>>>>>>>>>> others by non consensual behavior to stay away and work out their issues to
>>>>>>>>>> learn better behavior in some other context, rather than being in the
>>>>>>>>>> middle of an space without much in the way of rules or safety.  Sexual
>>>>>>>>>> assault and other violent behavior destroys our ability to trust each
>>>>>>>>>> other. I want to be able to trust people at NB, and to be able to tell
>>>>>>>>>> others they are likely relatively safe there.
>>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>>> Liz
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 8:41 PM, Lillian Fleurs <
>>>>>>>>>> lillian.fleurs at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> A member of the community known as Andrew "Dru" Byrne has yet to
>>>>>>>>>>> be kicked out of the community. Right before I moved he did some EXTREMELY
>>>>>>>>>>> inappropriate and non consensual things to me that extend far beyond
>>>>>>>>>>> creepy. I sent some emails to Tony "LeTigre", who then forwarded them to
>>>>>>>>>>> Liz. I had asked both of them to keep what had happened to me anonymous.
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm coming out of anonymity because it appears nothing has been done to get
>>>>>>>>>>> rid of someone who poses a high threat to other members of the community
>>>>>>>>>>> (both male and female, trans and cis).
>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately since I no longer live in San Francisco, I can not
>>>>>>>>>>> show up to a Noisebridge meeting but I would like this issue brought up,
>>>>>>>>>>> because others who still use the space have expressed to me that they don't
>>>>>>>>>>> feel safe around Andrew either.
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sorry for the drama, but I'm not the one who started it.
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>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .
>>>>>>>>>> Liz Henry
>>>>>>>>>> lhenry at mozilla.com
>>>>>>>>>> lizhenry at gmail.com
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