[Noisebridge-discuss] It has come to my attention that...

Lillian Fleurs lillian.fleurs at gmail.com
Tue Jun 18 16:11:31 UTC 2013

The medication I take is hardly experimental and has been prescribed to me
by a licensed physician. It's a common prescription given to anyone with an
incorrect balance of hormones, including those seeking treatment for gender
dysphoria. At the time I was homeless and the shot was already several days
late because I was trying to find a more suitable location. Doing a sterile
intramuscular injection in a private room in Noisebridge seemed far more
ideal than dealing with heat flashes and excessive moodiness.

I'd like to add that I was sitting far away from you, looking down in shock
from being violated. I kept trying to give you the benefit of the doubt,
but your complete denial of what happened and your inability to apologize
or defend your actions in a way that made sense leads me to believe that my
assumption that you're a sexual predator and don't belong at Noisebridge is

As for advocates, anyone who's willing to stand for my side can email me.

On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 5:32 PM, Daniel Kelly <arrays.tostring at gmail.com>wrote:

> There are worse places than Noisebridge for injecting of experimental
> medications with needles.
> None immediately come to mind though.
> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 12:46 PM, Lillian Fleurs <lillian.fleurs at gmail.com
> > wrote:
>> You tried to unzip my pants for me, that's what initially made me
>> uncomfortable. You reached around my body, putting your hands very near my
>> genitals and began to unzip my pants for me. That's when I tensed up and
>> asked you what the fuck you were doing. You made me far too tense and
>> uncomfortable to receive a shot from you. It also wasn't until Kim came
>> into the room offering you weed that you actually left. Dante was not in
>> the room when it happened, it was only you and I. However Dante did see my
>> fear, shock and discomfort after the incident. And it was Dante who helped
>> calm me down enough to be able to receive my estrogen injection.
>> The email I sent to Tony, which was later sent to Liz is word for word
>> what happened. Below is a screenshot.
>> [image: Inline image 1]
>> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 12:13 PM, Andrew Byrne <andrew at pachakutech.com>wrote:
>>> Since this is all out on the list, I feel the need to present my side;
>>> it is clear to me now what this is.
>>> For a few weeks, Lillian had asked of I could give her one of her
>>> supplemental estrogen shots, and one night I was at NoiseBridge when
>>> Lillian asked me to give her her shot. I said sure, she climbed up, laid
>>> down on the table, and pulled down her jeans enough to expose her buttocks,
>>> I readied the injection and placed my left hand on the back of her upper
>>> thigh. She stiffened, and told me that she felt uncomfortable, so I
>>> stopped, moved away, apologized for the discomfort and then left the room.
>>> There was never a "what the fuck are you doing?".
>>> It's pretty rich that /she/ is accusing me of cocaine use. It's not out
>>> of my experience, but as I have dopamine insensitivity--ADD--the stuff
>>> doesn't have the pleasure response for me that justifies the absurd prices;
>>> that and the killing South Americans bit.
>>> Unfortunately, the only other witness in the room was Dante I think
>>> Dante was expelled from the Tuesday meeting two weeks ago and is
>>> unquestionably her "other people"--Dante got angry when I sent him an email
>>> invitation to a 'digital feminine' salon b/c he doesn't see himself as
>>> feminine and started this whole process about three weeks after Lillian
>>> left; it was then that Lillian "unfriended" me on Fb. That only sounds
>>> trite until I add that she accepted my friend request after leaving SF for
>>> wherever she is now.
>>> I'd still like to drag up the Dante incident, as there were several
>>> witnesses on my side and a documented willful misrepresentation to Liz on
>>> Dante's. I would like to ask Liz now to retain copies of her emails
>>> regarding this for possible subpoena.
>>> A friend? No you saw me as a rube.
>>> -dru
>>> On Jun 17, 2013 11:06 AM, "Lillian Fleurs" <lillian.fleurs at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Well maybe you should have thought about these things before you pinned
>>>> me down on a table and began unzipping my pants without any permission at
>>>> all, refusing to stop even after I froze in fear asking what the fuck you
>>>> were doing. I was shaken after that. I used to like you Drew, and it took
>>>> me so long to report anything because I was worried about hurting someone I
>>>> thought was a good person. You seemed to be high on cocaine or something,
>>>> which initially allowed me to excuse the behavior. It wasn't until other
>>>> people made me realize this wasn't just a one off incident that I decided
>>>> to report what had happened. I recall you making creepy sexual comments
>>>> about others way before this incident too, so looking back now I don't find
>>>> what happened surprising and I probably could have prevented being violated.
>>>> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 12:33 AM, Andrew Byrne <andrew at pachakutech.com>wrote:
>>>>> I would also like to point out the assumption of my guilt throughout
>>>>> this discourse; I was told I was considered a sexual predator by the
>>>>> anarcho-fem community a week before being contacted officially, and this
>>>>> hateful trope has been driving me away from the space since. It will
>>>>> doubtless screw with my social life for another few months and affects me
>>>>> professionally; I can't even get a response from Mozilla's bug network now,
>>>>> thanks to this. I know, hard to empathize with someone the mediator is
>>>>> calling out, but once this is cleared up, I'd like this experience well
>>>>> documented -dru
>>>>>  On Jun 16, 2013 9:29 PM, "Liz Henry" <lizhenry at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> I would also like for this to be discussed again in a meeting. I
>>>>>> brought this up at the meeting not last week but the week before. But, I
>>>>>> have not been in the greatest of health and have missed a lot of meetings.
>>>>>> It was also brought to my attention that Jesse Z. wants to come back
>>>>>> to Noisebridge.   I do not think this is a good idea.  Basically, I don't
>>>>>> want to be around people who have behaved in the ways that either Jesse and
>>>>>> Dru have behaved.
>>>>>> There are so many good things about Noisebridge, and about its
>>>>>> openness.  To keep that good for as many people as possible we do need to
>>>>>> have good boundaries.  And ask people who have shown great disrespect for
>>>>>> others by non consensual behavior to stay away and work out their issues to
>>>>>> learn better behavior in some other context, rather than being in the
>>>>>> middle of an space without much in the way of rules or safety.  Sexual
>>>>>> assault and other violent behavior destroys our ability to trust each
>>>>>> other. I want to be able to trust people at NB, and to be able to tell
>>>>>> others they are likely relatively safe there.
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>> Liz
>>>>>> On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 8:41 PM, Lillian Fleurs <
>>>>>> lillian.fleurs at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> A member of the community known as Andrew "Dru" Byrne has yet to be
>>>>>>> kicked out of the community. Right before I moved he did some EXTREMELY
>>>>>>> inappropriate and non consensual things to me that extend far beyond
>>>>>>> creepy. I sent some emails to Tony "LeTigre", who then forwarded them to
>>>>>>> Liz. I had asked both of them to keep what had happened to me anonymous.
>>>>>>> I'm coming out of anonymity because it appears nothing has been done to get
>>>>>>> rid of someone who poses a high threat to other members of the community
>>>>>>> (both male and female, trans and cis).
>>>>>>> Unfortunately since I no longer live in San Francisco, I can not
>>>>>>> show up to a Noisebridge meeting but I would like this issue brought up,
>>>>>>> because others who still use the space have expressed to me that they don't
>>>>>>> feel safe around Andrew either.
>>>>>>> I'm sorry for the drama, but I'm not the one who started it.
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>>>>>> .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .
>>>>>> Liz Henry
>>>>>> lhenry at mozilla.com
>>>>>> lizhenry at gmail.com
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