[Noisebridge-discuss] Red asked to leave.

hep dis at gruntle.org
Sun Jun 23 23:58:32 UTC 2013

I am confused here. are you trying to say that someone can't have
minorities as friends and family and still be racist? Is this really some
kind of "but i have black friends!" kind of bingo moment here? did you
seriously just come here as your husband's get out of racism free card and
try to defend his racist ideas that minorities should just get the fuck
over their fears for their well-being in regards to the white nationalist



yes dude, people who marry minorities can be racist. people who have black
friends can be racist. people adopted by minorities or who have adopted
minority children can still be racist. people who use those relationships
as an "out" to excuse racist behavior are MOST DEFINITELY ACTING RACIST.
racism isn't some sort of team affiliation that you can get a pass on if
you marry the right person.

So will white power guy be covering up his tattoos so that me and every
other minority who has legitimate reasons to fear for their safety around
people who are displaying obvious signs of minority oppression can feel
comfortable or welcome or are we still arguing to defend the rights of
neo-nazis to cohabit a space where minorities are also supposed to feel
welcomed? i still don't understand how if he was "forced" to get them why
he wouldn't understand that those things will make certain people feel
extremely unsafe for their physical and mental well-being? i want to
someday be able to bring my children and their friends to noisebridge. i
absolutely do not feel safe bringing them to a place that openly supports
any kind of white nationalist agenda.

i do not really understand what the point of your email was. as far as i
can see, your husband is trying to use you and his stepfather as his
minority token to excuse his abhorrant behavior. minorities aren't a
monolith. we don't vote at the international minority movement on who we do
and don't deem racist. just because you don't see anything wrong with his
behavior doesn't mean that it is acceptable.


On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 10:43 AM, Elizabeth Hubbard
<emhubbard28 at gmail.com>wrote:

> I am going to address this now, albeit tired of this conversation.  Some
> dude has a racist tattoo, and my husband goes to say something to him.  First,
> he talks to an intelligent guy whose already talked to the man, though, and
> a person who is pretty much the opposite of a bigot.  This guy says that
> the man is not a white supremacist and was forced to get those tattooes.  My
> husband takes him at face value, because they’re both good people with no
> reason to lie.
> Then, this group-think-tank says, “Oh, no, that guy has to go,” and my
> husband, who was raised by a very nice old black guy that used to be in the
> Marines, took up for him because he had been forced to get those tattooes,
> which were now just an unfortunate part of his appearance.  And so the
> group think tank calls my husband a racist, which is laughable, but kind of
> the same as calling a person an asshole.  I didn’t marry an asshole, a
> racist, or a sexist, and any insinuations otherwise is likely a case of
> regionalism, which is like racism, but, as you’ve probably guessed by now,
> against people from differing regions.  Is it scary to see such a smart
> person from such a stereotypically dumb part of the world?  I wouldn’t
> know; I’m also a great deal smarter than I’d let on, and from the same part
> of the world.
> We are not proud of our southern heritage.  We grew up in a racist part
> of the world, but you would have to be an idiot to be a racist where we are
> from, because white people are in the minority there.   (Granted, there
> are some idiots there; we just don’t fall into that demographic.) We’re not
> idiots and we are not racists, so maybe the ignorami suggesting it could
> just shut the fuck up and go read some books past Dr. Seuss.  And stop
> throwing homeless people out; it’s tacky.  It’s like holding up a sign
> that says, “I’m a bad person who doesn’t give a shit that you have no roof
> over your head.”  Or holding up a sign that says, “I’m racist against
> poor people.”  Or, “I’m a classist fucktard, and if I had lived during
> the French Revolution, somebody would have beheaded me by now.”
> And for the record, there are many forms of racism, and, as a mixed person
> who looks white, I got to see a whole spectrum of it, and I wouldn't have
> married my husband is he was foolish enough to be a part of that.
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