[Noisebridge-discuss] [SPAM] Re: Red asked to leave.

Andrew Byrne andrew at pachakutech.com
Tue Jun 18 02:08:48 UTC 2013

You misread me. Please do not see our two comments as agreeing. I would not
conflate support of institutional racism with marks of tribal allegiance as
maestro has, and would ask him to consider the relationship of the
prejudiced and the prejudged in the case of 'white power' vs 'black power',
which has recent, well documented efforts to build social approval for the
violent control of the other, and how this access to power highlights in
contrast elements of collective, anarchic decision making that we cherish
i.e. the powerless are offered the same respect and authority as those in
the group who belong to classes unfazed by the market, law or religion.

Also Snail, outside this semantic debate, I would point out that he shaves
to the skin, dresses skin, and 'acts' skin; he prominently displays his ink
with muscle tees. To be perfectly honest, he wouldn't be the first ARA
slugger with old racist ink, but he'd be the first to have it without
defacement. I'm not going to violate his personhood in Nb, but know plenty
of people who would on sight, even here on the west coast.

On Jun 17, 2013 5:18 PM, "Snail" <snailtsunami at gmail.com> wrote:

> ....
> Am I the only one here reading these two comments and saying "WHAT THE
> I don't feel very casual or comfortable at all about someone waltzing
> around with a white power slogan, whether they "mean it" or not. If they
> didn't "mean it" they would know better, they would know to cover it up,
> because this shit is scary.
> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 5:08 PM, Andrew Byrne <andrew at pachakutech.com>wrote:
>> I've known people--skinheads--who've infiltrated violent racist skinhead
>> groups with great success; I realize people have a lot of reasons to get
>> inked and he may enjoy being approached about it in a friendly, initially
>> non-judgmental manner. If he's going to be a regular, I'd like to be able
>> to explain to others why I'm OK with him being here.
>> -dru
>> On Jun 17, 2013 4:35 PM, "maestro" <maestro415 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> # some beings want you to walk on eggshells even @ NB.
>>> # bet you 73 bitcoins if it was a black chick with ink that said>>
>>> # black pride or black power or another culture doing the same>>
>>> # NO ONE would say a word about it, especially to them.
>>> # do they actually know what the asian ink SAYS and MEANS>>
>>> # that comes through the house?
>>> # the latino ink?
>>> # the russian ink?
>>> # the invisible ink?
>>> # nope.
>>> # +1 jim
>>> # and white power isn't always a racial slogan it's the rascist minds>>
>>> # and race baiters that interpret it that way and want others to.
>>> # though of course it *is* used by beings with negative intonation.
>>> # how does anyone know he didn't do it in the pen to get affiliated and>>
>>> # survive.
>>> end comments
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