[Noisebridge-discuss] [SPAM] Re: Red asked to leave.
lizhenry at gmail.com
Tue Jun 18 15:17:41 UTC 2013
Thank you hep and snail, well said. I wonder if you might want to join me
in hosting an anti-racism workshop in the space some time in the next few
weeks -- in July. Another possibility is having an antiracism meeting
happen where some of us can develop and disseminate some of these core
values and assert them in the space.
On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 11:55 PM, hep <dis at gruntle.org> wrote:
> I just can't even with any of this. As a someone of minority descent, i
> find everything about this entire discussion incredibly offensive,
> off-putting, and pretty much the lot of you should be ashamed of yourself.
> This is not the way to be inclusive to any minorities for this space.
> To whoever brought up weev: i am not sure what your point is considering I
> am probably the person on the internet who has argued about his endless
> fucking bullshit shock tactic racism the most. YES YOU SHOULD HAVE KICKED
> HIM OUT. Free speech has to do with CONGRESS making laws barring speech. It
> has nothing to do with whether a hackerspace has to be inclusive,
> supportive, or otherwise encourage racist or offensive speech. When you try
> and mold the free speech argument to validate this bullshit behavior in a
> social group, all you are doing is saying you are ok as a social group with
> those morals, that they are more important than anyone who might be put off
> as the target of them. On this thread you are all trying to qualify
> someone's racism. Does no one out there actually understand what free
> speech means and what it pertains to? I just do not understand why people
> are so intent on validating the truly shitty things people say. You have
> the right to say whatever you want. I have the right to tell you to stfu.
> As a culture, noisebridge has the right to say it does not tolerate certain
> kinds of speech, because it alienates huge portions of the potential
> outreached population.
> If the guy is a reformed skin and just can't afford to recover tattoos?
> THEN BUY A FUCKING SHARPIE AND COLOR OVER IT EVERY DAY. People here are the
> REAL victims of this bullshit. I grew up with stories of how my dad who is
> mixed race was beat up in town for his heritage. On my mother's side most
> of them have been beat up and told to "go back to mexico" (we are from San
> Francisco since the 1700s). I was beat up in high school almost every week
> for being half latina. The Civil Rights Movement which saw the Black
> Panthers gunned down in Oakland, and violence to minorities all over the
> Bay Area happened only 50yr ago. Incredibly amounts of oppression and
> violence are leveled at minorities in communities throughout the Bay up to
> today. The Bay Area is already one of the most racist and racially charged
> areas in the country.
> Everyone makes dumb mistakes when they are young. Everyone deserves to be
> able to change and grow beyond them. But someone who is actively sporting
> white power tattoos needs to understand that the choice they made when
> young (completely different than someone born with brown skin through no
> fault of their own btw for whatever idiot brought up "judging someone on
> the way they look!!111" as if it is at ALL a valid comparison. racism =
> judging someone on a racist tattoo, you heard it here first.) will still
> actively negatively influence people it was directed at REGARDLESS OF
> WHETHER THAT IS STILL THEIR INTENT. Sucks that they got a white power
> tattoo. There are plenty of options for covering or otherwise concealing
> someone one chose to have and now regrets. Know what really sucks? Getting
> the shit beaten out of you because you realized too late that the guy with
> the racist tattoo was actually a racist.
> If someone has an I AM A RAPIST tattoo on their face, I am not going to
> sit around and ponder whether it's ironic or whether they are just fucking
> stupid. Give me a fucking break. I cannot believe that we are even having
> to discuss this and I cannot believe that on another thread there is some
> bullshit about a guy trying to defend himself court of law style over
> whether he groped a girl or not, as if she isn't a grown fucking adult who
> is capable of talking about what happened to her and what she directly
> witnessed to her person. Noisebridge: you continue to outdo yourself. hep
> out. *mike drop*
> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 11:20 PM, John Shutt <john.d.shutt at gmail.com>wrote:
>> I'm assuming he wasn't born with a swastika birthmark. Getting a tattoo
>> is behavior.
>> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 11:01 PM, LinkReincarnate <
>> linkreincarnate at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> People should be judged by their behavior not anything else. If this
>>> person is seen exhibiting racist behavior then kick him out.
>>> Policy at noisebridge that says if you have kids you accept the
>>> responsibility of them seeing/hearing about topics beyond your control. I
>>> think this does/should apply to adults in the space as well.
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