[Noisebridge-discuss] [SPAM] Re: Red asked to leave.

Liz Henry lizhenry at gmail.com
Tue Jun 18 15:17:41 UTC 2013

Thank you hep and snail, well said. I wonder if you might want to join me
in hosting an anti-racism workshop in the space some time in the next few
weeks -- in July. Another possibility is having an antiracism meeting
happen where some of us can develop and disseminate some of these core
values and assert them in the space.

- liz

On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 11:55 PM, hep <dis at gruntle.org> wrote:

> I just can't even with any of this. As a someone of minority descent, i
> find everything about this entire discussion incredibly offensive,
> off-putting, and pretty much the lot of you should be ashamed of yourself.
> This is not the way to be inclusive to any minorities for this space.
> To whoever brought up weev: i am not sure what your point is considering I
> am probably the person on the internet who has argued about his endless
> fucking bullshit shock tactic racism the most. YES YOU SHOULD HAVE KICKED
> HIM OUT. Free speech has to do with CONGRESS making laws barring speech. It
> has nothing to do with whether a hackerspace has to be inclusive,
> supportive, or otherwise encourage racist or offensive speech. When you try
> and mold the free speech argument to validate this bullshit behavior in a
> social group, all you are doing is saying you are ok as a social group with
> those morals, that they are more important than anyone who might be put off
> as the target of them. On this thread you are all trying to qualify
> someone's racism. Does no one out there actually understand what free
> speech means and what it pertains to? I just do not understand why people
> are so intent on validating the truly shitty things people say. You have
> the right to say whatever you want. I have the right to tell you to stfu.
> As a culture, noisebridge has the right to say it does not tolerate certain
> kinds of speech, because it alienates huge portions of the potential
> outreached population.
> If the guy is a reformed skin and just can't afford to recover tattoos?
> REAL victims of this bullshit. I grew up with stories of how my dad who is
> mixed race was beat up in town for his heritage. On my mother's side most
> of them have been beat up and told to "go back to mexico" (we are from San
> Francisco since the 1700s). I was beat up in high school almost every week
> for being half latina. The Civil Rights Movement which saw the Black
> Panthers gunned down in Oakland, and violence to minorities all over the
> Bay Area happened only 50yr ago. Incredibly amounts of oppression and
> violence are leveled at minorities in communities throughout the Bay up to
> today. The Bay Area is already one of the most racist and racially charged
> areas in the country.
> Everyone makes dumb mistakes when they are young. Everyone deserves to be
> able to change and grow beyond them. But someone who is actively sporting
> white power tattoos needs to understand that the choice they made when
> young (completely different than someone born with brown skin through no
> fault of their own btw for whatever idiot brought up "judging someone on
> the way they look!!111" as if it is at ALL a valid comparison. racism =
> judging someone on a racist tattoo, you heard it here first.) will still
> actively negatively influence people it was directed at REGARDLESS OF
> WHETHER THAT IS STILL THEIR INTENT. Sucks that they got a white power
> tattoo. There are plenty of options for covering or otherwise concealing
> someone one chose to have and now regrets. Know what really sucks? Getting
> the shit beaten out of you because you realized too late that the guy with
> the racist tattoo was actually a racist.
> If someone has an I AM A RAPIST tattoo on their face, I am not going to
> sit around and ponder whether it's ironic or whether they are just fucking
> stupid. Give me a fucking break. I cannot believe that we are even having
> to discuss this and I cannot believe that on another thread there is some
> bullshit about a guy trying to defend himself court of law style over
> whether he groped a girl or not, as if she isn't a grown fucking adult who
> is capable of talking about what happened to her and what she directly
> witnessed to her person. Noisebridge: you continue to outdo yourself. hep
> out. *mike drop*
> -hep
> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 11:20 PM, John Shutt <john.d.shutt at gmail.com>wrote:
>> I'm assuming he wasn't born with a swastika birthmark. Getting a tattoo
>> is behavior.
>> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 11:01 PM, LinkReincarnate <
>> linkreincarnate at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> People should be judged by their behavior not anything else.  If this
>>> person is seen exhibiting racist behavior then kick him out.
>>> Policy at noisebridge that says if you have kids you accept the
>>> responsibility of them seeing/hearing about topics beyond your control. I
>>> think this does/should apply to adults in the space as well.
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