[Noisebridge-discuss] [SPAM] Re: Red asked to leave.

Mitchel McAllister xonimmortal at yahoo.com
Wed Jun 19 14:30:32 UTC 2013 

Could we possibly host a workshop on combating lookism and ablism?

Also, on the subject of the sexual assault/sexual harassment workshop, I could line up a couple non-cis-gendered, non-white people to speak on the subject of dealing with false accusations of sexual assault.

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--- On Tue, 6/18/13, Liz Henry  wrote:

> From: Liz Henry 
> Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] [SPAM] Re: Red asked to leave.
> To: "hep" 
> Cc: "NoiseBridge Discuss" 
> Date: Tuesday, June 18, 2013, 8:17 AM
> Thank you hep and snail, well said.
> I wonder if you might want to join me in hosting an
> anti-racism workshop in the space some time in the next few
> weeks -- in July. Another possibility is having an
> antiracism meeting happen where some of us can develop and
> disseminate some of these core values and assert them in the
> space. 
> 
> 
> - liz
> 
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> 
> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013
> at 11:55 PM, hep 
> wrote:
> 
> I just can't even with any of this. As a
> someone of minority descent, i find everything about this
> entire discussion incredibly offensive, off-putting, and
> pretty much the lot of you should be ashamed of yourself.
> This is not the way to be inclusive to any minorities for
> this space. 
> 
> 
> To whoever brought up weev: i am not sure what
> your point is considering I am probably the person on the
> internet who has argued about his endless fucking bullshit
> shock tactic racism the most. YES YOU SHOULD HAVE KICKED HIM
> OUT. Free speech has to do with CONGRESS making laws barring
> speech. It has nothing to do with whether a hackerspace has
> to be inclusive, supportive, or otherwise encourage racist
> or offensive speech. When you try and mold the free speech
> argument to validate this bullshit behavior in a social
> group, all you are doing is saying you are ok as a social
> group with those morals, that they are more important than
> anyone who might be put off as the target of them. On this
> thread you are all trying to qualify someone's racism.
> Does no one out there actually understand what free speech
> means and what it pertains to? I just do not understand why
> people are so intent on validating the truly shitty things
> people say. You have the right to say whatever you want. I
> have the right to tell you to stfu. As a culture,
> noisebridge has the right to say it does not tolerate
> certain kinds of speech, because it alienates huge portions
> of the potential outreached population. 
> 
> 
> If the guy is a reformed skin and just can't
> afford to recover tattoos? THEN BUY A FUCKING SHARPIE AND
> COLOR OVER IT EVERY DAY. People here are the REAL victims of
> this bullshit. I grew up with stories of how my dad who is
> mixed race was beat up in town for his heritage. On my
> mother's side most of them have been beat up and told to
> "go back to mexico" (we are from San Francisco
> since the 1700s). I was beat up in high school almost every
> week for being half latina. The Civil Rights Movement which
> saw the Black Panthers gunned down in Oakland, and violence
> to minorities all over the Bay Area happened only 50yr ago.
> Incredibly amounts of oppression and violence are leveled at
> minorities in communities throughout the Bay up to today.
> The Bay Area is already one of the most racist and racially
> charged areas in the country. 
> 
> 
> Everyone makes dumb mistakes when they are young.
> Everyone deserves to be able to change and grow beyond them.
> But someone who is actively sporting white power tattoos
> needs to understand that the choice they made when young
> (completely different than someone born with brown skin
> through no fault of their own btw for whatever idiot brought
> up "judging someone on the way they look!!111" as
> if it is at ALL a valid comparison. racism = judging someone
> on a racist tattoo, you heard it here first.) will still
> actively negatively influence people it was directed at
> REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THAT IS STILL THEIR INTENT. Sucks that
> they got a white power tattoo. There are plenty of options
> for covering or otherwise concealing someone one chose to
> have and now regrets. Know what really sucks? Getting the
> shit beaten out of you because you realized too late that
> the guy with the racist tattoo was actually a racist. 
> 
> 
> 
> If someone has an I AM A RAPIST tattoo on their face, I am
> not going to sit around and ponder whether it's ironic
> or whether they are just fucking stupid. Give me a fucking
> break. I cannot believe that we are even having to discuss
> this and I cannot believe that on another thread there is
> some bullshit about a guy trying to defend himself court of
> law style over whether he groped a girl or not, as if she
> isn't a grown fucking adult who is capable of talking
> about what happened to her and what she directly witnessed
> to her person. Noisebridge: you continue to outdo yourself.
> hep out. *mike drop* 
> 
> 
> -hep 
> 
> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013
> at 11:20 PM, John Shutt 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> I'm assuming he wasn't born with a
> swastika birthmark. Getting a tattoo is behavior.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jun 17,
> 2013 at 11:01 PM, LinkReincarnate 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> People should
> be judged by their behavior not anything else.  If this
> person is seen exhibiting racist behavior then kick him
> out. 
> 
> 
> 
> Policy at noisebridge that says if you have kids
> you accept the responsibility of them seeing/hearing about
> topics beyond your control. I think this does/should apply
> to adults in the space as well.  
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