[Noisebridge-discuss] [SPAM] Tattoos vs. behavior

Jeffrey Carl Faden jeffreyatw at gmail.com
Thu Jun 20 20:43:36 UTC 2013


Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that suggestion was facetious.

Jeffrey

On Jun 20, 2013, at 1:42 PM, LinkReincarnate <linkreincarnate at gmail.com> wrote:

> I wasn't saying maybe it's you who are the racist.  I was saying (and won't apologize for because it's true) that their assumptions of another person's values based on their appearance were faulty and that racists fall to the same faulty logic.    I was never blaming the victim or asking people to approach this person directly. The idea that the only option for a person in a group targeted by white supremacists are to leave or "get over it" is a false choice and never one that I put forward.    The "solutions"(I can use sarcastic quotation marks too) that were presented were arguable at best.  I think that David's solution was optimal because rather than pushing the problem out the door for people on the street to deal with it actually solved it or attempted to and ended up with everyone being a little less hurt.  Had this person already not been kicked out and told not to return this solution would have actually done something to ease racial tension rather than just polarize the groups more.
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 1:24 PM, Jeffrey Carl Faden <jeffreyatw at gmail.com> wrote:
> I think the general problem was that in defending yourself and "critical thinking", you were belittling others (saying they are thinking like white supremacists, saying things like "maybe it is you who are the racist").
> 
> Additionally, please don't be insulting. If you can't help it, take a while to cool off before you reply.
> 
> Jeffrey
> 
> On Jun 20, 2013, at 1:03 PM, LinkReincarnate <linkreincarnate at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Danny don't fucking lump me in with Drew.  Or with racists just because I don't believe every assumption that passes through my head. If a container says poison does that mean it contains poison?   In fact it may have been useful to have a person with racist tattoos simply because it causes the shady racists to come out to hiding and be identified and removed from the group.  If you want to talk about this in person I would be more than happy to oblige you but frankly it seems to me like you are encouraging people to hack me. Especially since you just started following my twitter feed after this argument. While you are on there feel free to look at my history of fighting racism on twitter.  Of course that is not surprising that you would turn to mob justice given your end's justify the means attitude of this whole affair.  You and Lief and Snail and Liz are a cabal that hopes to control every aspect of noisebridge and you gang up on people who disagree with any tiny part of your agenda. You are living in as effective of an echo chamber as anything in the deep south and even using the same fucking logic as southerners to justify your point of view.  Your entire group encourages classism the continuation of racism, and sexism.   I was not defending racism for like the 13th time.  I was fighting the idea that white privilege is a concept that white people are incapable of understanding. If white people can't understand white privilege they why even bring it up?  It will only confuse us. I was fighting the idea that I could not understand what it feels like to live under the priviledge of another group or be a part of a regularly disparaged group.  None of you fucking know me, any of my life experiences or even what fucking demographic I belong to. Nor have any attempted to understand or find out.  In fact I am demonized for pointing out that your assumption of others may be wrong. How do you know that I am not a part of a group targeted by the kkk?  You don't. You people are soo chomping at the bit to prove how not racist and accepting you are that you have stopped thinking. Throw the baby out with the bathwater.  If assumptions and appearances are always correct why do we need the eff, or the ACLU? Or lawyers or judges or scientists. Who am I indeed you neckbearded fuck.
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 12:30 PM, Andy Isaacson <adi at hexapodia.org> wrote:
>> For what it's worth, David Fine is a founding member of noisebridge, and
>> he has handled such projects successfully before, so I nominate him as
>> your "trusted and known member".
>> 
>> We have d.vidfine to thank for the [drama] tags on the mailing list,
>> among many other successes.
>> 
>> -andy
>> 
>> On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 06:35:31PM -0700, LinkReincarnate wrote:
>> > I'd be willing to chip in on that too provided a trusted and known member
>> > of noisebridge handle the money in a transparent manner.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 4:00 PM, Mitchel McAllister
>> > <xonimmortal at yahoo.com>wrote:
>> >
>> > > Currently, the only way I have to contact Robby is if he comes in to the
>> > > space.
>> > >
>> > > - Reverend Mik McAllister
>> > > "You can see the summit but you can't reach it
>> > > Its the last piece of the puzzle but you just can't make it fit
>> > > Doctor says you're cured but you still feel the pain
>> > > Aspirations in the clouds but your hopes go down the drain"
>> > >  - Howard Jones, "No One Is To Blame"
>> > > Purveyor of Subversive Fiction
>> > > http://www.prismandink.com
>> > > http://www.lunatextpublications.com
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --- On Wed, 6/19/13, Davidfine  wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > From: Davidfine
>> > > > Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] [SPAM] Tattoos vs. behavior
>> > > > To: "Mitchel McAllister"
>> > > > Cc: noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
>> > > > Date: Wednesday, June 19, 2013, 3:02 PM
>> > > > The man with the white power tattoos
>> > > > on his triceps. You identified him
>> > > > as Robby. In a previous message LinkIncarnate wrote "it was
>> > > > what he had
>> > > > to do to survive not something he believes in", which I read
>> > > > as
>> > > > "prison". Please excuse me if I have some details wrong.
>> > > >
>> > > > I continue to offer assistance to anyone who wants to cover
>> > > > up their
>> > > > racist ink. A couple others have pledged $, too. If someone
>> > > > doesn't want
>> > > > to broadcast that they are a member of a white supremacy
>> > > > group, we as a
>> > > > community should remove any obstacles in their path.
>> > > > If someone wants to broadcast that affiliation, we can skip
>> > > > right to
>> > > > that discussion.
>> > > > --David
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > On 6/19/13 2:01 PM, Mitchel McAllister wrote:
>> > > > > How to reach *who*?
>> > > > >
>> > > > > - Reverend Mik McAllister
>> > > > > "You can see the summit but you can't
>> > > > reach it
>> > > > > Its the last piece of the puzzle but you just can't
>> > > > make it fit
>> > > > > Doctor says you're cured but you still feel the
>> > > > pain
>> > > > > Aspirations in the clouds but your hopes go down the
>> > > > drain"
>> > > > >  - Howard Jones, "No One Is To
>> > > > Blame"
>> > > > > Purveyor of Subversive Fiction
>> > > > > http://www.prismandink.com
>> > > > > http://www.lunatextpublications.com
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > --- On Wed, 6/19/13, Davidfine  wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > From: Davidfine
>> > > > > > Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] [SPAM]
>> > > > Tattoos vs. behavior
>> > > > > > To: "Mitchel McAllister"
>> > > > > > Cc: noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
>> > > > > > Date: Wednesday, June 19, 2013, 1:21 PM
>> > > > > > You don't know why I'm volunteering
>> > > > > > to chip in for someone I don't know
>> > > > > > in person? Hmm. I guess because nobody else
>> > > > was. Do you know
>> > > > > > how to
>> > > > > > reach him?
>> > > > > > --D
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > On 6/19/13 1:07 PM, Mitchel McAllister wrote:
>> > > > > > > I'm not sure why you are asking
>> > > > me how to get in
>> > > > > > touch with someone you are taking a collection
>> > > > for.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > - Reverend Mik McAllister
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
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