[Noisebridge-discuss] door "security": culture, not policy.

Casey Callendrello c1 at caseyc.net
Fri Mar 22 17:17:13 UTC 2013

Hm. Hangonaminute.

I agreed for a while that a top-lock is bad for security - Jake, you've 
convinced me of that beyond a doubt. However, it seems like a great 
solution to our attempt to set up a culture of greeting those who ring 
the doorbell. The door-opener will have to stick around to open the door 
for them anyways.

Requiring the front door to be personally opened sets the cultural 
precedent that we care who enters. Naomi has expressed this much more 
eloquently than I ever could.


On 3/22/13 12:38 AM, Naomi Most wrote:
> I am completely against the top door lock idea.  It doesn't even solve
> the main problem, which is social accountability.
> On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 12:03 AM, Jake <jake at spaz.org> wrote:
>> here we go again...
>> also i'll remind everyone that as tenants of 2169 mission it is our
>> responsibility to not allow anyone into the building (past the main gate)
>> who we are not allowing into the third floor.
>> https://www.noisebridge.net/pipermail/noisebridge-discuss/2012-February/028220.html
>> [Noisebridge-discuss] Upstairs door latch mechanism?
>> Jake jake at spaz.org
>> Fri Feb 10 02:34:39 PST 2012
>> I guess a bunch of people have been talking about latching or locking the
>> upstairs door.
>> Are you people crazy?  Don't you realize that by the time someone is
>> upstairs they feel as though they are practically inside the space
>> already?
>> If you can't turn someone away at the sidewalk, and they get to the top of
>> the stairs, it is only going to make them angry if you refuse to let them
>> in.  It is going to create more conflict, not less, especially if you use
>> the smarmy little porthole to shield yourself while refusing to let
>> someone in while someone else comes up behind you and second-guesses your
>> decision in front of the person.
>> have you ever been at a teller window (post office for example) where the
>> clerk, who is telling you NO you can't have what you came here for, is
>> isolated behind a 2" thick piece of lexan with a tiny little breathing
>> hole where you're supposed to talk and listen through?  Do you remember
>> feeling hostility toward that person and wondering what you would do if
>> you could reach through the little hole and strangle them?
>> well that's whats going to happen to you if you try to keep people out at
>> the top of the stairs, because eventually someone is going to open the
>> door and that person is going to come in anyway, and be pissed at you.
>> We need to focus on bouncing people at the sidewalk door.  If you are
>> having trouble understanding this concept, please ask some people whose
>> opinion you trust before continuing with this idea of locking the upstairs
>> door.
>> sincerely,
>> -jake
>> Casey Callendrello wrote (Thu Feb 9 22:58:35 PST 2012):
>> Hi there.
>> The upstairs door is already keyed with the A-key. However, the latch
>> mechanism has been removed. Does anyone know where it is?
>> If not, I'll try to order a new one. The crash bar is a "Von Duprin 44".
>> However, these parts are surprisingly expensive and hard to track down.
>> --c.
>> Casey Callendrello wrote:
>> Adding a lock to the upstairs door is quite doable. I've looked in to
>> this before. There are a few things that need to be done:
>> 1) Some boring locksmithy stuff of getting some locks re-keyed
>> 2) Re-building the elevator lobby door. Not too hard
>> 3) Electronic strikes for both doors
>> 4) Pin pads for both doors
>> 1 and 2 are easy. 3 and 4 are also pretty simple, but will take some
>> proper effort.
>> --Casey
>> On 3/21/13 11:34 AM, Martin Bogomolni wrote:
>>> In changing the problem I'm aligned with Rachel.  Move the lock from
>>> -downstairs- to the upstairs door.   Also move the pin pad to the
>>> upstairs door.
>>> For our mobility-impaired members, and people who come on bikes, do
>>> the same with an alternate wide door at the top landing where the
>>> elevator is.   (Wall up the side door, make a sure door in front of
>>> the elevator.   It's relatively easy to frame it up and put in a
>>> prehung door.   Costs are pretty controlled for this.
>>> -M
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