[Noisebridge-discuss] door "security": culture, not policy.

[Jake]

i'm just saying that the act of letting people into the building is a big 
deal and people should take responsibility for it and use their best 
judgement.

the alternative is not working.

On Fri, 22 Mar 2013, Sai wrote:

> So… practical question.
>
> I can see that, if you're intending to prevent someone from entering,
> you should do so at the street. However… that doesn't really seem to
> be in the cards here.
>
> If someone wants in to NB, they can probably get in, by waiting for
> someone to use the door, asking someone else to let them in, etc etc.
> AFAICT the point of the "greet at door" bit is not to turn people
> away, but to humanize the space, make sure new people get introduced,
> have others aware of who's walking around, that sort of thing.
>
> You seem to be suggesting otherwise, so: could you please suggest
> guidelines for who you think should be refused entrance, that can be
> done via a shitty videophone? E.g. what questions must someone be able
> to answer over intercom? Must they be recognized by someone in the
> space? Must they not look some particular way?
>
> I'd bet that you can't. (Possibly with the exception of uniformed
> police or obvious Secret Service?)
>
>
> Unless I'm wrong with that bet, I'd suggest we own up to the fact that
> what's really on the table is face-to-face interaction in the space,
> with the (extremely rare) possibility of ejecting someone who is there
> — and not, really, turning people away at the gate.
>
> The two call for fairly different responses. Moving the lock to the
> top door would help for the humanize version. A better camera and a
> door way light would help for at-the-gate version.
>
> - Sai
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 12:03 AM, Jake <jake at spaz.org> wrote:
>> here we go again...
>>
>> also i'll remind everyone that as tenants of 2169 mission it is our
>> responsibility to not allow anyone into the building (past the main gate)
>> who we are not allowing into the third floor.
>>
>> https://www.noisebridge.net/pipermail/noisebridge-discuss/2012-February/028220.html
>>
>> [Noisebridge-discuss] Upstairs door latch mechanism?
>> Jake jake at spaz.org
>> Fri Feb 10 02:34:39 PST 2012
>>
>> I guess a bunch of people have been talking about latching or locking the
>> upstairs door.
>>
>> Are you people crazy?  Don't you realize that by the time someone is
>> upstairs they feel as though they are practically inside the space
>> already?
>>
>> If you can't turn someone away at the sidewalk, and they get to the top of
>> the stairs, it is only going to make them angry if you refuse to let them
>> in.  It is going to create more conflict, not less, especially if you use
>> the smarmy little porthole to shield yourself while refusing to let
>> someone in while someone else comes up behind you and second-guesses your
>> decision in front of the person.
>>
>> have you ever been at a teller window (post office for example) where the
>> clerk, who is telling you NO you can't have what you came here for, is
>> isolated behind a 2" thick piece of lexan with a tiny little breathing
>> hole where you're supposed to talk and listen through?  Do you remember
>> feeling hostility toward that person and wondering what you would do if
>> you could reach through the little hole and strangle them?
>>
>> well that's whats going to happen to you if you try to keep people out at
>> the top of the stairs, because eventually someone is going to open the
>> door and that person is going to come in anyway, and be pissed at you.
>>
>> We need to focus on bouncing people at the sidewalk door.  If you are
>> having trouble understanding this concept, please ask some people whose
>> opinion you trust before continuing with this idea of locking the upstairs
>> door.
>>
>> sincerely,
>> -jake
>>
>> Casey Callendrello wrote (Thu Feb 9 22:58:35 PST 2012):
>>
>> Hi there.
>> The upstairs door is already keyed with the A-key. However, the latch
>> mechanism has been removed. Does anyone know where it is?
>>
>> If not, I'll try to order a new one. The crash bar is a "Von Duprin 44".
>> However, these parts are surprisingly expensive and hard to track down.
>>
>> --c.
>>
>>
>> Casey Callendrello wrote:
>> Adding a lock to the upstairs door is quite doable. I've looked in to
>> this before. There are a few things that need to be done:
>>
>> 1) Some boring locksmithy stuff of getting some locks re-keyed
>> 2) Re-building the elevator lobby door. Not too hard
>> 3) Electronic strikes for both doors
>> 4) Pin pads for both doors
>>
>> 1 and 2 are easy. 3 and 4 are also pretty simple, but will take some
>> proper effort.
>>
>> --Casey
>>
>>
>> On 3/21/13 11:34 AM, Martin Bogomolni wrote:
>>>
>>> In changing the problem I'm aligned with Rachel.  Move the lock from
>>> -downstairs- to the upstairs door.   Also move the pin pad to the
>>> upstairs door.
>>>
>>> For our mobility-impaired members, and people who come on bikes, do
>>> the same with an alternate wide door at the top landing where the
>>> elevator is.   (Wall up the side door, make a sure door in front of
>>> the elevator.   It's relatively easy to frame it up and put in a
>>> prehung door.   Costs are pretty controlled for this.
>>>
>>> -M
>>
>>
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