[Noisebridge-discuss] Meeting Notes 2013 11 12 - slightly abridged

Lee Sonko lee at lee.org
Thu Nov 14 19:27:10 UTC 2013

On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 4:44 PM, Jeffrey Carl Faden <jeffreyatw at gmail.com>wrote:

> What's extreme about that? What's the difference between the public wiki 
> and a public membership binder? Are you suggesting security through 
> obscurity?
While information may want to be free, yes, I posit that there is a 
difference between information neatly organized on a publicly available and 
searchable website, and information contained only in a paper binder. Let 
me remind you of a parable from Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy:

(via <http://www.planetclaire.org/quotes/hitchhikers/#sthash.Sn1c2xWf.dpuf>)

"But Mr Dent, the plans have been available in the local planning office 
for the last nine months."

"Oh yes, well as soon as I heard I went straight round to see them, 
yesterday afternoon. You hadn't exactly gone out of your way to call 
attention to them, had you? I mean, like actually telling anybody or 

"But the plans were on display ..."

"On display? I eventually had to go down to the cellar to find them."

"That's the display department."

"With a flashlight."

"Ah, well the lights had probably gone."

"So had the stairs."

"But look, you found the notice didn't you?"

"Yes," said Arthur, "yes I did. It was on display in the bottom of a locked 
filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying 
'Beware of the Leopard'."

(if someone on the list here doesn't get the reference, BY JOVE, READ 



> Jeffrey
> On Nov 13, 2013, at 4:37 PM, Lee Sonko <lee at lee.org> wrote:
> It seems extreme to force all members to publicly identify themselves on 
> the public wiki. Is there a problem with using the membership binder in the 
> space?
> On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 2:05 PM, jarrod hicks <hicksu at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hello ya'll. Here are the highlights from last nights meeting.
>> https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Meeting_Notes_2013_11_12
>> Announcements:
>> A. Folks are putting together a new hackerspace in SF. Join us on 
>> #sfhackerspace on Freenode.
>> B. Alex Gudkov has just signed a lease on a 3500 sq ft space at Mission & 
>> 6th, perhaps for use hacking, or as a coop. Get in touch!
>> __
>> Consensus proposals from last week:
>> https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Consensus_Items_History
>> A. We discussed JC's proposal to secure the space. We agreed the 
>> following:
>> "It should be possible to secure Noisebridge when not in use. Noisebridge 
>> should be secured when not in use. All Noisebridge Members and Associate 
>> Members should have access to Noisebridge."
>> We decided to form a cabal to work on the details, and actually build 
>> this. We noted that we haven't decided to spend money on this, just agreed 
>> on the principle.
>> B. We discussed Tom's proposal to make the list of members public. We 
>> agreed the following:
>> "It shall not a secret whether a person is Member of Noisebridge. It 
>> shall be the responsibility of each member to identify themself as a member 
>> by adding the Category:Members to their wiki user page. Until a Member so 
>> identifies, they shall not be entitled to any privilege of Noisebridge 
>> Membership. Likewise, if a member is on Membership/Hiatus, they must 
>> indicate this by adding the Category:Hiatus to their wiki user page; this 
>> method of so identifying shall replace any other notification requirement 
>> for going on and coming off hiatus. Although it shall generally be a 
>> responsibility shared by all members to ensure that this category of 
>> identification is used correctly, in cases where its use is disputed, 
>> Noisebridge's secretary shall be the final arbiter."
>> __
>> Consensus Proposals for next week
>> https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Current_Consensus_Items
>> A. "As a result of our prior conversation, we collectively propose: If a 
>> member has not identified themself as such by adding the Category:Members 
>> to their wiki user page by $DATE, they shall no longer be a member of 
>> Noisebridge."
>> B. Tom proposes that:
>> "If a paper membership application has been in the binder for more than 
>> twelve weeks, that application should be discarded. If that person still 
>> wants to become a member, they must start the application process over from 
>> scratch."
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