[Noisebridge-discuss] anti-anonymity proposals
rachel lyra hospodar
rachelyra at gmail.com
Sat Nov 16 22:42:50 UTC 2013
Responses Inline. God save us all.
On Nov 15, 2013 8:36 PM, "jim" <jim at systemateka.com> wrote:
> There are so many problems with what you
> > have written that I honestly believe you need to hire someone to help
> > you grok what the fuck.
I continue to believe you would benefit from seeking professional help on
> strong community. My view is that people have run
> to the community prematurely, to their own detriment.
Have you thought to try, instead of defending your opinions, to query &
seek to understand why people have felt that it is best to act this way?
> > I came to Noisebridge and found a huge community of technically
> > engaged wonderful hacker friends who bent over backwards to teach me
> > how to work in hardware, with zero social expectations or assholery.
> JS: me, too.
> > That place is gone.
> JS: I'm not sure, there are lots of very fine
> people still at noisebridge.
I AM quite sure, thankyouverymuch, because the experiences I have had at
Noisebridge over the last 2 years are so wildly different than the previous
two. Perhaps if instead of dismissing this point of view you were to
examine it and seek to understand why someone might hold it, you would be
able to become less confused about why people are FREAKING THE FUCK OUT
about things like BEING GRABBED OR ASSAULTED.
> > Perhaps 2169 will continue but a community where the old hands present
> > think assault should be dealt with in isolation,
> JS: assault should not be dealt with in isolation.
> > and the old hands absent feel entitled to weigh in against reform
> > measures aimed at REDUCING INCIDENCES OF ASSAULT without constructive
> > input, is no place I want to support.
> JS: I'm against formality in general; I'm for
> collaboration, affection, acceptance, mutual
> support; I think having policies is a dangerous
> practice, partly because the fact of the policy
> substitutes for understanding and action
> appropriate to situations, partly because the
> policy may, unfortunately, be seen as a
> substitute for one's own action and one's own
> sense of self-worth.
Instead of undermining the efforts of people seeking to SECURE THEIR
PERSONAL SAFETY you could try to work towards building the kind of
understanding you say should be used instead of policies... then perhaps
there wouldn't be so many people seeking to establish policies.
> > R.
> > On Nov 15, 2013 2:29 PM, "Snail" <snailtsunami at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 11:13 AM, jim <jim at systemateka.com>
> > wrote:
> > As to females being harassed, for cases of
> > crude coppings of feels, I dislike taht female
> > turning to the community for support; I would
> > eagerly defend any female who hauled off and
> > slugged whoever copped a feel or to go get some
> > friends and return to verbally educate the
> > offender: it's dis-empowering to perceive one's
> > self as a victim and turn to a community for
> > support for what is an individual incident.
> > Whoa - whoa whoa whoa - whoaaaaa...
> > Time out - did you really just say that women who get groped
> > ("cases of crude coppings of feels") should not ask the
> > community to help them out? And you believe that it's
> > disempowering somehow??
> > And that people should just punch people or deal with it on
> > their own? Is this really what you're suggesting?
> > There will be no way fully to suppress such
> > actions taken by horney and inconsiderate
> > personages, policies and rules and committee
> > resolutions aside (far, far aside, I hope).
> > I can't even. Here's a good way to suppress the actions of
> > "horney" or inconsiderate people: never let them back in
> > Noisebridge because that's a terrible excuse for their
> > actions!
> > Please ask yourself if you are prone to
> > express yourself when you believe you have the
> > "high ground" and can properly scold others. I.e.,
> > are you living too much with anger?
> > With the rage of a thousand burning stars.
> > TO EVERYONE ELSE READING THIS - There are lots of people in
> > the community at large who will help you out if someone is
> > creeping on you or worse, whether you are "taht females" or
> > just a plain ol' human being! Don't let what Jim says dissuade
> > you from reporting harassment or assault or pointing out
> > creepers! This is not an opinion everyone here carries. Please
> > don't ever feel like it's your fault or that you're required
> > to punch people - it's a valid and rational response to remove
> > yourself from a dangerous situation and try to sort things out
> > later from a safe place rather than confront your
> > harasser/assaulter. If someone is creeping on you, they are
> > pretty much always creeping on OTHERS, too, so you are not
> > alone or stuck in some isolated personal incident! And as a
> > community we can try to make Noisebridge a safer place for
> > everyone.
> > Also, women really appreciate being called women and not
> > "females". Do you go around saying "the males" when referring
> > to men? Probably not.
> > Angry forever,
> > Snail
> > --
> > -Snailssnailssnailssnailssnailssnailssnails
> > ............. _ at y
> > http://obamaischeckingyouremail.tumblr.com/
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