[Noisebridge-discuss] anti-anonymity proposals

[Hannah Grimm]

Pretty awesomelynactually.  It hasn't been misapplied at all, and I've seen
a really big change in how the community views harassment since it was
passed.


On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 5:28 PM, jim <jim at systemateka.com> wrote:

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> How's it working out in practice?
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> On Sat, 2013-11-16 at 16:31 -0800, Hannah Grimm wrote:
> > You know what actions I've taken in response to harassment that have
> > felt really empowering, Jim?
> >
> >
> > Getting an anti-harassment policy passed.
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 3:59 PM, jim <jim at systemateka.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >         My replies interspersed below:
> >
> >         On Sat, 2013-11-16 at 13:30 -0800, hep wrote:
> >         > I would like to take this opportunity to point out that this
> >         entire
> >         > discussion is a pretty good example of why in 2013 we need a
> >         firm,
> >         > clear, anti-harassment policy for noisebridge to take the
> >         first step
> >         > for being a truly safe environment for everyone.
> >
> >         JS: I believe such a policy will have negligible
> >         affect.
> >
> >         > Here in November 2013, a man is seriously proposing that
> >         women*, many
> >         > of whom: may be smaller than many males, non-confrontational
> >         for one
> >         > reason or another, alone except for their attacker, and/or
> >         may
> >         > possibly have reasons for not wanting to engage physically
> >         with a male
> >         > who has just sexually assaulted them, hit their attacker and
> >         then
> >         > silence themselves from any community support, over an issue
> >         that will
> >         > often be called into question repeatedly as to a) whether it
> >         happened
> >         > b) whether it was "enough" to warrent a response, and c)
> >         whether the
> >         > victim merely "misinterpreted" what happened to their own
> >         body.
> >
> >         JS: I proposed no such thing.
> >
> >
> >         > Then that man asks a woman who is upset by the tepid
> >         official response
> >         > to sexual assault in the community if she should really be
> >         so mad, and
> >         > if she really has the "higher ground" to stand on.
> >
> >         JS: I have previous experience with that person
> >         and stand by my suggestion that she may be living
> >         too much in anger.
> >         >
> >         > Then that man goes on to repeatedly back these points.
> >
> >         JS: incorrect, as your description of the points
> >         is largely erroneous.
> >         >
> >         > Then that man *claims that the community should support his
> >         viewpoints
> >         > because he is somehow a less privileged community member*
> >         and deserves
> >         > equal "community support" as a sexual assault victim.
> >
> >         JS: I made no such claims. I suggest that individuals
> >         consider that taking action might be empowering for
> >         them. I do not suggest that anyone necessarily take
> >         action alone, and as someone rightly suggested, taking
> >         action, especially alone, might prove dangerous and
> >         foolish.
> >         >
> >         > Just sayin'.
> >         JS: and liking it.
> >         >
> >         > -hep
> >
> >         > I say woman only because he framed that as the example.
> >
> >         JS: yes, and I now regret choosing such a lurid
> >         example. I now wish I'd used a homeless-seeming
> >         and non-hacker-seeming person as an example. The
> >         dynamics would have been more interesting to
> >         explore.
> >
> >
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