[Noisebridge-discuss] anti-anonymity proposals
jim
jim at systemateka.com
Sun Nov 17 18:42:04 UTC 2013
thank you.
On Sun, 2013-11-17 at 08:07 -0800, Jeffrey Carl Faden wrote:
> Sure:
>
>
> https://www.noisebridge.net/pipermail/noisebridge-discuss/2013-October/039856.html
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> (See previous and next messages as well.)
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 1:39 AM, jim <jim at systemateka.com> wrote:
>
> I'm interested, can you give me a date or
> subject heading so I can find it?
>
>
>
> On Sat, 2013-11-16 at 17:53 -0800, Jeffrey Carl Faden wrote:
> > I have actually invoked the policy when a discussion arose
> using
> > harmful language on the mailing list. Everyone involved
> learned a
> > valuable lesson about friendship.
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 5:28 PM, jim <jim at systemateka.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > How's it working out in practice?
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, 2013-11-16 at 16:31 -0800, Hannah Grimm
> wrote:
> > > You know what actions I've taken in response to
> harassment
> > that have
> > > felt really empowering, Jim?
> > >
> > >
> > > Getting an anti-harassment policy passed.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 3:59 PM, jim
> <jim at systemateka.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > My replies interspersed below:
> > >
> > > On Sat, 2013-11-16 at 13:30 -0800, hep
> wrote:
> > > > I would like to take this opportunity to
> point out
> > that this
> > > entire
> > > > discussion is a pretty good example of
> why in 2013
> > we need a
> > > firm,
> > > > clear, anti-harassment policy for
> noisebridge to
> > take the
> > > first step
> > > > for being a truly safe environment for
> everyone.
> > >
> > > JS: I believe such a policy will have
> negligible
> > > affect.
> > >
> > > > Here in November 2013, a man is
> seriously
> > proposing that
> > > women*, many
> > > > of whom: may be smaller than many males,
> > non-confrontational
> > > for one
> > > > reason or another, alone except for
> their
> > attacker, and/or
> > > may
> > > > possibly have reasons for not wanting to
> engage
> > physically
> > > with a male
> > > > who has just sexually assaulted them,
> hit their
> > attacker and
> > > then
> > > > silence themselves from any community
> support,
> > over an issue
> > > that will
> > > > often be called into question repeatedly
> as to a)
> > whether it
> > > happened
> > > > b) whether it was "enough" to warrent a
> response,
> > and c)
> > > whether the
> > > > victim merely "misinterpreted" what
> happened to
> > their own
> > > body.
> > >
> > > JS: I proposed no such thing.
> > >
> > >
> > > > Then that man asks a woman who is upset
> by the
> > tepid
> > > official response
> > > > to sexual assault in the community if
> she should
> > really be
> > > so mad, and
> > > > if she really has the "higher ground" to
> stand on.
> > >
> > > JS: I have previous experience with that
> person
> > > and stand by my suggestion that she may be
> living
> > > too much in anger.
> > > >
> > > > Then that man goes on to repeatedly back
> these
> > points.
> > >
> > > JS: incorrect, as your description of the
> points
> > > is largely erroneous.
> > > >
> > > > Then that man *claims that the community
> should
> > support his
> > > viewpoints
> > > > because he is somehow a less privileged
> community
> > member*
> > > and deserves
> > > > equal "community support" as a sexual
> assault
> > victim.
> > >
> > > JS: I made no such claims. I suggest that
> > individuals
> > > consider that taking action might be
> empowering for
> > > them. I do not suggest that anyone
> necessarily take
> > > action alone, and as someone rightly
> suggested,
> > taking
> > > action, especially alone, might prove
> dangerous and
> > > foolish.
> > > >
> > > > Just sayin'.
> > > JS: and liking it.
> > > >
> > > > -hep
> > >
> > > > I say woman only because he framed that
> as the
> > example.
> > >
> > > JS: yes, and I now regret choosing such a
> lurid
> > > example. I now wish I'd used a
> homeless-seeming
> > > and non-hacker-seeming person as an
> example. The
> > > dynamics would have been more interesting
> to
> > > explore.
> > >
> > >
> > >
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