[Noisebridge-discuss] anti-anonymity proposals

hep dis at gruntle.org
Mon Nov 18 02:25:30 UTC 2013

On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 2:32 PM, jim <jim at systemateka.com> wrote:

>     Why is this about women only, and why is my
> opinion not welcome--after all, that's all I'm
> doing, presenting my point of view. Do you think
> that seeing one's self as a victim is okay?

this is about women only because you framed it that way, fyi. you might
want to read your original post again where this whole thing touched off.

also: i love when a man tells someone how to feel about what they
experienced. you are once again doing that here jim (it isn't up to you to
dictate how a woman or person who was the victim of sexual assault feels
about it. please stop doing that, and understand that you ARE doing it to
begin with. again. AGAIN.)

>     Why do you say I'm ignoring anyone's experiences?
> I have no idea what others feel and have not so
> claimed. I am certainly open to listening and
> considering, as I think is obvious by my replies
> in this email thread.

you are ignoring other people's lived experiences because you keep telling
us how to feel about an experience that not only do you not have any
experience with, but you couldn't because there are hundreds of years of
abuse and unfair power dynamics behind it that you, as a cis-male in
america, will never experience or be part of. sorry!

>     It's dis-empowering to be harassed if you let
> it be.

again, telling women or persons the victim of sexual harassment/assault how
they should feel about it. AGAIN!!!!!

>     I dislike the trend to any policies other
> than treat each other excellently. Why is my
> opinion not welcome in the group?

your opinion, at this point, is unwelcome because the many lived
experiences of women at noisebridge dictate that this isn't enough for them
to feel safe and as valued members of the community. you keep arguing to
keep things the way they are, which isn't working for half the population
visiting noisebridge. MANY women have at this point completely lost
interest in noisebridge as a community, not because they aren't interested,
or weren't willing to be part of it, but because it feels to them unsafe. i
am one of those women. many of my female friends are also those women. i am
sure many women or others are also part of that group.

>     You're right that to report any problems

to disbelief is dis-empowering, certainly
> discouraging. But in such a case, shouldn't one
> take courage and fight back? I think so.

that is what we are doing here. awkward that you keep trying to derail it.

>     I've read your email and thought about what
> you've said. I am defending my right to express
> my opinions about life and feelings, and others
> have a right to take them or leave them as they
> choose. I am not dictating or telling anyone
> anything. Why do you think I am? I hope you'll
> answer that question.

you seem to feel that not only do you have the right to express yourself,
but you have the right to do so free of criticism. unfortunately that's not
how it works. the many people telling you that your opinion is full of crap
and to stfu are also exercising their free speech. you seem to have people
confused with "congress" as in "Congress shall make no law respecting an
establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or
abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the
people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress
of grievances." random people aren't congress. random people have every
right to tell you to stfu if they feel like it. social acceptance and civil
rights are two totally different things, and just because you are
exercising your civil rights does not entitle you to social acceptance.

>     My choice is to defend my right to express my
> point of view as well as to listen and think about
> whatever you have to say, and I believe I've
> repeatedly demonstrated that.

you can feel free to repeatedly reiterate that you are an idiot. i will
continue to call you an idiot. ymmv .


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