[Noisebridge-discuss] The Nuclear Option

[Lee Sonko]

On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 8:14 AM, Al Sweigart <asweigart at gmail.com> wrote:

> You're right, Lee. You made the large changes first, followed by the
> smaller changes. I had it backwards.
>
> Thank you.



> Regardless, "Do not edit this page." is and has always been at the very
> first line of the page.
>

Hmm. Sorry about that. I saw Tom's edit
here<https://noisebridge.net/index.php?title=Membership&diff=prev&oldid=35474>
and
(incorrectly) thought that he had added the "Do not edit this page..." text
on November 12th. I now see that the text has been there for a long time.


> And your second change includes, albeit small, wording changes in addition
> to the typo corrections. "If you wish to modify it, you should bring up
> your desired changes at a weekly meeting."
>
>
Let me reiterate:
- Doocracy
- Be Bold
- Trustworthy
- Tom removed my wiki rights after I did exactly what he suggested I do
- No one has reverted my changes (because, presumably they are fine)
- I would appreciate it if you restored my bureaucrat and administrator
rights on the wiki.

Lee







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> On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 7:44 AM, Lee Sonko <lee at lee.org> wrote:
>
>> Let me try responding to Tom's email a different way. Tom wrote:
>> ---- Start of Snippet ----
>> You edited the membership page, adding incorrect information, ignoring
>> the notice that the page should only be edited as the result of a
>> consensus discussion. When I rolled back your changes and asked you to
>> stop, you admitted that you weren't at the consensus discussion,
>> hadn't actually read any notes about it, and were just adding
>> information that you thought was similar to what had been discussed.
>> Then you edited the page again, so I removed your admin privileges.
>> ----  End of Snippet  ----
>>
>> Here is my response to each point:
>>  >You edited the membership page, adding incorrect information
>>
>> The information was correct as of 10-29-13<https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Meeting_Notes_2013_10_29#Proposal_to_create_an_Associate_Member_role_and_limit_access_to_Noisebridge_24.2F7_to_Member.2C_Associate_Member_and_thoes_hosted_by_M_and_AM>.
>> Sorry if my information had become wildly out of date a week later.
>>
>>
>> >, ignoring the notice that the page should only be edited as the result
>> of a consensus discussion.
>>
>> 1- You had placed that notice there just a few hours before. It's
>> bothersome to think you could write something on a wiki and have it stand
>> as the law for all eternity without any questioning. The entire world does
>> not attend all of the same meetings that you attend.
>> 2- You specifically told me that fixing typos was ok
>>
>>
>> > When I rolled back your changes and asked you to
>> > stop, you admitted that you weren't at the consensus discussion,
>>
>> I missed a meeting and was making edits that followed a discussion that
>> had happened 8 days previously. Sue me.
>>
>> > hadn't actually read any notes about it, and were just adding
>> > information that you thought was similar to what had been discussed.
>>
>> You are making shit up. Read the full text of my email to you here<https://www.noisebridge.net/pipermail/noisebridge-discuss/2013-November/040631.html>
>> .
>> Your melodramatic paraphrasing is not becoming.
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>> >Then you edited the page again, so I removed your admin privileges.
>>
>> I edited the page again following your specific instructions.
>>
>>
>> Tom, I would appreciate it if you restored my bureaucrat and administrator
>> rights on the wiki.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Lee
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 5:11 PM, Tom Lowenthal <me at tomlowenthal.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Lee Sonko <lee at lee.org> wrote:
>>> > Tom, why did you remove my bureaucrat and administrator rights on the
>>> > Noisebridge wiki and stop answering my emails?
>>>
>>> Lee, I removed your admin privileges to stop you from continuing to
>>> edit the protected page describing our membership process.
>>>
>>> You edited the membership page, adding incorrect information, ignoring
>>> the notice that the page should only be edited as the result of a
>>> consensus discussion. When I rolled back your changes and asked you to
>>> stop, you admitted that you weren't at the consensus discussion,
>>> hadn't actually read any notes about it, and were just adding
>>> information that you thought was similar to what had been discussed.
>>> Then you edited the page again, so I removed your admin privileges.
>>>
>>> Was it also you (IP 71.135.45.119) who edited the anti-harassment
>>> policy page? Perhaps it was someone else. In any event, if
>>> 71.135.45.119 is reading: the text on that page is *also* the result
>>> of a consensus process, and should not be edited. In fact, the page
>>> has a banner across the top letting readers know about the policy's
>>> trial period, and how to contribute on Github, which is where we
>>> agreed to work on changes.
>>>
>>> -Tom
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