[Noisebridge-discuss] Asking sleepers at Noisebridge to leave.

[Frantisek Apfelbeck]

>>> I think this is important misunderstanding to the baning procedure and the rights of Noisebridge member comments below:

As a member, you are empowered to do-ocratically ban someone when they
are behaving poorly and you think it the appropriate remedy.

>>> Based on the history I do not think that baning another person from Noisebridge is in the power of one single person, with exception of extreme cases like physical violence. If you do not like something about what the person does and you think that it is against the ways of Noisebridge (as the sleeping in the place is), you may ask the person to leave as Al did and if you really feel strongly about the situation you can ask them to leave and/or come back to the next meeting, like I had to do by myself for example. But baning someone just by one voice is not really what I see as a Noisebridge way.


To be sure, I urge you to use this remedy sparingly, and only when it really
is the right thing to do. A ban issued this way can be reversed by
consensus (just like everything else).
 
>>> Good to see the softer touch but I believe you are wrong fundamentally on the ban lifting, to ban someone is a topic for the consensus and has toe be confirmed by this proces, not the other way around. Only the Noisebridge meeting body I would say has the right to ban someone for longer period of time. The grey area may be if that person who was asked to leave by a member (member of community) doesn't come to the meeting, than I personally assume that he/she should stay away, at least for a while. 

>>> I am not sure if you really meant exactly what you wrote, I may misunderstand.

>>> Sincerely,

>>> FAA   


Frantisek Algoldor Apfelbeck


biotechnologist&kvasir and hacker


http://www.frantisekapfelbeck.org


"There is no way to peace, peace is the way." Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi




On Saturday, November 23, 2013 2:28 AM, Tom Lowenthal <me at tomlowenthal.com> wrote:
 
[Responses inline.]

On 22 November 2013 08:37, Al Sweigart <asweigart at gmail.com> wrote:
> I came by the space around 7am this morning and found three people sleeping.

Al, thanks for coming by the space so early, and doing the thankless
task of confronting folks who are behaving poorly.

> I woke up the other two, told them my name, asked if they were members (they
> both said they were associate members).

Did you also ask what their names or wiki user names are? It'd be
great to have people accountable for this sort of behavior. This
probably goes without saying, but I think it'd be pretty bad behavior
for someone to lie about being an associate member.

> If I find the two guys crashing at Noisebridge again, I'm going to propose
> banning them from the space at the next weekly meeting.

As a member, you are empowered to do-ocratically ban someone when they
are behaving poorly and you think it the appropriate remedy. To be
sure, I urge you to use this remedy sparingly, and only when it really
is the right thing to do. A ban issued this way can be reversed by
consensus (just like everything else).

-Tom

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