[Noisebridge-discuss] Jeffrey Carl Faden <jeffreyatw at gmail.com> your email fails to provide any reason. Please add a reason for completeness. - Re: Might NB want to put up a warning somewhere to people wanting to travel to our great hackersoace from other countries? NB warning to US visitors? - Fwd: [BerkTIPGlobal] 63yo mother Pinay traumatized by "officers", horror trip to US. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6520074

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 - Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] Might NB want to put up a warning somewhere
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 mother Pinay traumatized by "officers", horror trip to US.
 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6520074 

On Tue, Oct 15, 2013, at 11:16 AM, Jeffrey Carl Faden wrote:
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> On Oct 15, 2013, at 11:15 AM, "giovanni_re" <john_re at fastmail.us> wrote:
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> > Might NB want to put up a warning somewhere to people wanting to travel
> > to our great hackerspace from other countries?
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original message -----
> > From: "giovanni_re" <john_re at fastmail.us>
> > To: BTG <BerkTIPGlobal at googlegroups.com>
> > Subject: [BerkTIPGlobal] 63yo mother Pinay traumatized by "officers", 
> > horror trip to US. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6520074
> > Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2013 11:07:30 -0700
> > 
> > Pinay traumatized by horror trip to US (abs-cbnnews.com)
> > http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/global-filipino/10/07/13/pinay-traumalized-horror-trip-us 
> > 259 points by coolsank 9 hours ago | 146 comments
> > 
> > add comment
> > 
> > sneak 6 hours ago | link They do this to me regularly, and I'm a US-born
> > US citizen. My median time for being arrested and held with no food or
> > water or use of a communications device is around six hours.
> > 
> > ...all because I politely exercise my fifth amendment rights.
> > 
> > This happens about 50% of the time I enter the country. I live abroad so
> > I enter the US about a half-dozen times per year. I think my file is big
> > enough now that they know not to ask me anything.
> > 
> > http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/travel/customerservice/pledge_tra...
> > 
> >> CBP’s Pledge to Travelers
> > 
> >> We pledge to cordially greet and welcome you to the United States.
> > 
> >> We pledge to treat you with courtesy, dignity, and respect.
> > 
> >> We pledge to explain the CBP process to you.
> > 
> >> We pledge to have a supervisor listen to your comments.
> > 
> >> We pledge to accept and respond to your comments in written, verbal, or electronic form.
> > 
> >> We pledge to provide reasonable assistance due to delay or disability.
> > 
> > I often wonder which of these "threatening me with prosecution for
> > interfering with a border control point", "lying to me by saying I'm
> > legally required to answer their questions", "refusing to tell me the
> > name of the city I'm standing in" and "throwing me out of the border
> > control point (into the USA) on the highway in Vermont in February in a
> > snowstorm" fall under.
> > 
> > (It's the only time I've ever had to hitchhike in my life, as it'd been
> > hours since they'd sent the Montreal-Boston bus on without me.)
> > 
> > The one border cop in Detroit told me, after coming through the tunnel
> > from Windsor, that "[she's] just doing her job, making sure the country
> > is safe, and that [she's] there to prove [I'm] innocent and get [me] on
> > my way quickly." I waited until I was given the all clear to leave the
> > building before mentioning to her that "We're Americans, and this is
> > America. I am innocent until I am proven guilty, and those representing
> > our country would do best to remember that."
> > 
> > Despite my opinions about the lot of them, I am calm, polite,
> > professional, and courteous in my interactions with them. They respond
> > in the most unprofessional manner possible, short of physically
> > assaulting me. They've cost me thousands of dollars and caused me to
> > miss important business meetings. (Before you say it: it's not my fault
> > for exercising my basic rights or not "just answering the simple
> > questions" that I missed my meetings. I'd have left except for the fact
> > that men with guns on their belt arrested me after I'd already given
> > them my passport and they'd searched my possessions.)
> > 
> > Fuck the police.
> > 
> > PS: Their invasive searches of my belongings were clearly punitive, too.
> > I never travel with contraband but had I been doing so, they would not
> > have found any of it. They were clearly just fucking with someone who
> > had the nerve to tell them that his travel plans inside and outside of
> > the US were and are "none of their business".
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > =====
> > MANILA - A Filipina's trip to the United States to attend the wedding
> > of her daughter turned into a nightmare after she was harassed,
> > insulted, and deported by American immigration authorities.
> > 
> > Carina Yonzon Grande, in a statement to ABS-CBNNews.com, recalled her
> > harrowing experience at the hands of US Immigration officers at the
> > Seattle International Airport on October 1.
> > 
> > Grande was traveling with complete valid documents -- a passport with a
> > 10-year US visa valid until 2017, round trip plane tickets, and even
> > shuttle vouchers.
> > 
> > The 63-year-old, who used to work for the Asian Development Bank, is
> > well traveled and has been to Italy, Austria, Germany, Belgium,
> > Switzerland, Vanuatu, Fiji, Sri Lanka, Thailand, Laos, Vietnam,
> > Uzbekistan, Pakistan, Australia, Hong Kong, and Singapore.
> > 
> > It was her 13th time to visit the US in a span of more than two and a
> > half decades.
> > 
> > She said, upon reaching the immigration area, she noticed a group of
> > immigration police officers directing people to where they should line
> > up.
> > 
> > "I also observed police officers questioning, in a very loud voice, the
> > visitors about why they chose to travel to the US for their vacation,
> > the purpose of their visit, and even the amount of money they have for
> > this trip, which I found simply absurd!" Grande said.
> > 
> > "When it was my time to present myself to the immigration officer, he
> > asked me the usual questions i.e. purpose of travel and length of stay.
> > I gave him an honest answer: that the purpose of my travel to the US was
> > to visit my grandson Joshua at Everett and also to attend my daughter's
> > wedding on October 26 in L.A., and that I was staying for two months,"
> > she added.
> > 
> > She said the immigration officer looked at her passport and saw Grande
> > had visited the US many times in the past.
> > 
> > "I confirmed by saying yes, since the family could afford it," she
> > added.
> > 
> > Held for 6 hours without food, water
> > 
> > Her nightmare began when the immigration officer told her to go to a
> > room where people were being held for more questioning.
> > 
> > Grande said she was confined in the small room for 6 hours.
> > 
> > "Questions about the purpose of my visit to the US were asked repeatedly
> > by Officer Keavid Mam (in a very arrogant manner). He then asked if I
> > have relatives in the US, which I answered in the affirmative. I was
> > asked to give names and corresponding contact numbers. I gave the
> > details of my daughter Steph and my grandson Josh, 21 years old. I was
> > asked for more names, so I gave the name and number of my Aunt Nerissa,
> > who is nearly 90 years old and the sister of my late Mother. More names
> > and numbers could have been provided to them had they allowed me to call
> > my daughter Steph but I was not allowed to make phone calls. They took
> > my celfone. Every time they placed a call to my aunt, my grandson Joshua
> > and daughter Steph, they shut the door so I would not hear their
> > conversations with my relatives," she said.
> > 
> > The immigration officer then returned to the room and accused Grande of
> > being a liar. He claimed that he talked to her aunt, who allegedly told
> > him that Grande will take care of her as a caregiver.
> > 
> > She said the immigration officer's allegations are not true because her
> > aunt didn't even know she was arriving in the US.
> > 
> > "While Officer Mam kept on repeating his questions about why I was in
> > the US, a fellow officer by the name of Chang, joined and shouted,
> > calling me a liar. He even searched my purse where I had wedding cards
> > (with money) for my daughter and future son-in-law, and a birthday card
> > for Joshua (also with money) and other stuff. He scattered all the items
> > in my purse on the table, asking why they should believe me, when my
> > aunt, according to him, seems to be the honest one," Grande said.
> > 
> > 'Who is she, a TNT ?'
> > 
> > "While doing this, another officer passed and shouted 'Who is she, a TNT
> > ?'" she said.
> > 
> > "I was already shaking, very tired, exhausted, and weak. I had not eaten
> > because of this interrogation," she added.
> > 
> > Their supervisor, a certain Mr. Caldwell, later joined the immigration
> > officers and warned Grande that she will suffer the consequences if she
> > didn't tell them what they wanted to hear.
> > 
> > "If I lie, they would have to arrest me and put me in jail. He even
> > showed me the jail cell. I said, 'I am telling the truth, and that they
> > can put me in jail because I will never ever admit doing the things I am
> > wrongly being accused of.'"
> > 
> > Caldwell gave Grande two options: be deported to the Philippines on the
> > next flight of the same day or be put in jail and barred from entering
> > the US for 5 years.
> > 
> > "Exhausted, hungry, and sleep-deprived, I chose option one," Grande
> > said. "It is disheartening that at my age, I didn’t receive any respect
> > from these officials. I was treated like a criminal. I was not allowed
> > to talk to my daughter and grandson and my celfone was taken away from
> > me. Even after the interrogation concluded, they did not give it back to
> > me."
> > 
> > "It pains me so much that I was mistreated like this. I have never been
> > so humiliated and demeaned in my life! I am still hurting and hope other
> > people will not suffer the extreme humiliation I recently experienced,"
> > she said.
> > 
> > Racist insults
> > 
> > Ken Shaw, the fiancé of Grande's daughter, supported her statement.
> > 
> > "She was cruelly interrogated for 6 hours after a 15-hour flight and
> > held without food and water. Derogatory racial slang was hurled her way
> > and she was shown and threatened with a jail cell. Her belongings were
> > careless rifled through, wedding cards and gifts from relatives for the
> > couple plainly visible throughout this process," Shaw said in a separate
> > statement sent to ABS-CBNNews.com.
> > 
> > "She was repeatedly called a liar and laughed at by individuals who
> > seemed to believe that they have an exclusive license on the truth and
> > that tormenting an elderly woman, exhausted from a long flight, was all
> > in a day’s good sport," he said.
> > 
> > Shaw said an immigration officer even mocked Grande's daughter on the
> > telephone.
> > 
> > "An arrogant official promptly addressed her by her first name and
> > cockily said, "Well hello, your mother is being deported."
> > 
> > "After piously stating their righteousness, the official ended the
> > conversation with yet another smirk and additional smarmy commentary,"
> > Shaw added.
> > 
> > "I have tried a couple of times since then to get the full names of the
> > individuals who handled my future mother-in-law’s case, but apparently
> > they are special and do not need to disclose information to the American
> > public," he said.
> > 
> > "My fiancée is now heart broken – not only for her mother having to miss
> > her wedding but also for the cruel treatment she was forced to endure by
> > the government of the country she now calls home," Shaw said.
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