[Noisebridge-discuss] amendments to membership proposal - associate members and 24/7 hours
Jeffrey Carl Faden
jeffreyatw at gmail.com
Tue Oct 22 20:36:12 UTC 2013
On second read of your email, I think we're in agreement, so sorry for not reading the whole message before I wrote this. Disregard!
On Oct 22, 2013, at 1:34 PM, Jeffrey Carl Faden <jeffreyatw at gmail.com> wrote:
> I think this is the fundamental disagreement:
> "I would almost rather have people sitting around doing nothing than have a policy that forces good people out the door."
> I disagree fully with this statement. Noisebridge isn't a do-nothing space, it's a hackerspace. If it's been concluded that nothing of value is accomplished by non-members between the hours of 11pm and 10am, then they certainly shouldn't be there.
> On Oct 22, 2013, at 1:31 PM, Alan Rockefeller <alanrockefeller at gmail.com> wrote:
>> When I first read about this proposal I thought that it was an additional tool that could be appled as needed to kick out people who were just bumming around and not working on anything. I thought that it was understood that if they were being productive and not bothering anyone that they would not be asked to leave when their sponsor does.
>> It appears that it is being taken too seriously, and that good people are being asked to leave. That is unexcellent.
>> If I was hacking something and someone asked me to leave even though I was not bothering anyone, I would be pissed. And that is not a good way to treat people new to the space.
>> How many hackers do we have to kick out in order to get the people that are just using nb as a roof to leave?
>> It seems that this policy is adding unnecessary rules that affect both good and bad people. Perhaps it should be adjusted somehow so if someone is soldering or coding and their sponsoring member leaves, people do not feel the need to make the productive person leave?
>> I would almost rather have people sitting around doing nothing than have a policy that forces good people out the door.
>> Perhaps a better solution is to ask people who are loitering to leave? Perhaps a no loitering policy or guideline? Or no loitering from 11pm until 9am?
>> Or maybe we don‘t a guideline and should just start asking people to leave and come back to a meeting any time we notice someone using the space inappropriately.
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