[Noisebridge-discuss] not calling police (was: thursdaaaaaay)

Dan Cote terminationshok at gmail.com
Fri Oct 25 03:16:49 UTC 2013

Oops, just saw the other thread about this.

On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 5:39 PM, Dan Cote <terminationshok at gmail.com> wrote:

> I think we ought to re-think the closing hours and member stuff. I saw a
> similar incident almost go down on Tuesday night at ~11:45pm. Having a time
> when the space changes over is causing conflict. I'm down to put some time
> into solving this. Preferably, people are greeted when they get to the
> door, and whatever "process" needs to be inflicted on people happens at
> that time 24-7.
> On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 3:04 PM, Jake <jake at spaz.org> wrote:
>> I spoke with Monad for a while about calling the police on Pigeon the
>> other night, and tried to impress on him the importance of keeping The
>> Police calling as an absolute last resort.
>> (I wasn't there thursday night)
>> I told him about the 311 phone call system that used to be in place,
>> where Noisebridgers who lived nearby would make themselves available to be
>> woken up to come to the space and handle situations that needed immediate
>> mediation (or at least talk someone down over the phone)
>> Apparently there were not enough people at Noisebridge at the time who
>> were actively backing up Monad's insistence that Pigeon leave.  I find this
>> unexcellent, because everyone should take responsibility to solve problems
>> like this when they come up.
>> If people agreed with Monad that Pigeon should leave, they should have
>> stood shoulder to shoulder with Monad staring down Pigeon (nothing further
>> than that is required) Or, if they disagreed that Pigeon should leave, they
>> should have mediated the conflict right then and there.
>> According to Monad, apparently people decided they didn't care, and they
>> sat back down and ignored the situation and then the police were called.
>> And while Dana and Rayc showed up to help, and Daravinne was there, somehow
>> this wasn't enough to solve the problem a different way.
>> We should all learn what we can from this thing that happened, and I
>> think we should remember that when conflict is happening in the space, we
>> should step up to help solve it before something drastic happens.
>> Also it sounds like Pigeon is an asshole and Monad was just trying to do
>> what he thought was right for Noisebridge, in context of the problem he
>> faced and the support he had on his side.
>> -jake
>> bfb wrote:
>> Hmm, I was at a Noisebridge benefit with Monad until around 23:00 that
>> night.
>> Daravinne, did Pigeon's behavior warrant a call to the police? Did they
>> threaten the safety of themselves or others at Noisebridge? It sounds to
>> me that Monad overreacted. It should not become common place to request
>> police assistance at Nosiebridge. -Kevin
>> daravinne wrote:
>>  coffee roasting workshop and 3d printer group earlier in the evening.
>>>  everything was basically quiet and normal til about 11ish when pigeon
>>> was asked to leave by monad.  pigeon refused to leave, whereupon monad
>>> called the police.  then there were police in the space for a few minutes,
>>> and then rayc and dana showed up.  pigeon did leave of his own accord and
>>> has been asked again not to return until a tuesday meeting. i've asked
>>> monad to take pigeon's picture and put it on the 86 page with a brief
>>> description of the problems and steps taken and current state, etc.
>>> otherstuff:  i found a black duffel kinda bag with an orange towely
>>> thing at the top, in the server room.  i have taken it out of the server
>>> room and closed the server room door.  the bag is by the shelves by the
>>> server room.
>>>  i also bought toilet paper because there was none left. the wired
>>> network
>>> is in some state of unworking but wireless works fine.
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