[Noisebridge-discuss] Noisebridge is now Members and their Guests only, 24/7 please read and learn about it

Jake jake at spaz.org
Thu Oct 31 05:32:36 UTC 2013

To be clear, I never proposed a policy with limited hours.  That aspect 
was introduced and passed without me and I watched as it failed to do what 
I had hoped to achieve.  So I proposed removing that aspect of it and 
putting it the way I had originally intended it.

I felt that the 11PM "closing time" concept was really bad, even though 
people liked some aspects of it, it had too much negative results and it 
had to go.

i'm actually shooting for a shift in the way people access the space, to 
encourage more connection between people who choose to become Members or 
Associate Members, and those who want to use the space without joining 
anything.  The latter (and new people in off the street) will hopefully 
have a better connection to the community so they can participate better, 
as opposed to the total atomization that was happening up until now.

On Wed, 30 Oct 2013, Jeffrey Carl Faden wrote:

> In fairness about criticizing this new policy... another policy was in play
> for only a few weeks and it was already overruled without giving it the three
> months allotted to see if it improved the space.
> Yes, people were complaining about it, but people are also complaining about
> this, aren't they?
> On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 6:19 PM, Jake <jake at spaz.org> wrote:
>       The front page of the website is a wiki.  You can edit it if you
>       think it needs to change.  When did you stop being a hacker?
>       This policy hasn't been in effect a full day yet, and yet you're
>       full of criticism for it with ZERO constructive suggestions.
>        [insert joke about constructing bunk beds here]
>       as for killing the goose that lays the golden eggs, apparently
>       more people believe that to be true about people who refused for
>       so long to do anything about the downhill slide that noisebridge
>       has been in for a long time.  Geese can die from lack of care you
>       know.
>       As for being surprised that members passed this, another way to
>       word it is that after weeks of discussion about this issue, all of
>       the members who decided to show up agreed that it needed to be
>       done.
>       problems are not solved by blocking or criticising efforts.
>        Problems are solved by making changes until things work better.
>       As for noisebridge's public image, I empower you to publicize the
>       subtle concept that the general public is welcome to stop by and
>       that they will almost certainly be invited in and given a proper
>       introduction and tour, and that we are eager to see them.
>       While you're at it please tell them that we are working hard to
>       replace our current perception by the public as a place you would
>       never WANT to go with one where you WILL want to go and hack.  And
>       if you refuse to recognize the reality that the golden eggs don't
>       WANT to go to noisebridge because of its radical inclusivity,
>       you're ignoring a lot of people's opinions.
>       -jake
>       On Wed, 30 Oct 2013, Leif Ryge wrote:
>             On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 11:41:14AM -0700, Jake wrote:
>                   in every practical way nothing has changed
>                   at all.
>                   [...]
>                   Noisebridge continues to be open to the
>                   public 24/7 just as it always was.
>             Do you actually believe those two statements? I almost
>             expect you to say "not
>             wittingly" next!
>             The front page of the website now says "Noisebridge is
>             open 24/7 to Members,
>             Associate Members and guests thereof".
>             It seems pretty obvious that people who don't know
>             anyone there would, upon
>             reading that, get the impression that they can't just
>             drop in. I think most
>             people (by a large margin) who have done awesome stuff
>             at Noisebridge didn't
>             know anyone physically present the first times they
>             visited the space. So, I
>             think this policy will have a significant negative
>             impact.
>             As I've said before, I think you're killing the goose
>             that lays golden eggs.
>             I am especially disappointed that this extremely
>             drastic change was adopted at a meeting with only four
>             members present. I hope the membership of Noisebridge
>             will reconsider this.
>             ~leif
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