[Noisebridge-discuss] Noisebridge is now Members and their Guests only, 24/7 please read and learn about it

jim jim at systemateka.com
Thu Oct 31 15:58:30 UTC 2013

    To a large extent my complaint is about the 
anger and hostility that radiates from some of 
the email. 
    To some extent it seems to me that the 
excitement some feel about others' activities 
is not hacking but getting sucked into the 
politics of community. 
    Sure there are frustrating aspects of a 
truly open community, but the approach of 
dealing with problems by policy and fiat is 
clearly a poor approach, as exemplified by 
the Republican party's dictatorial actions. 

On Wed, 2013-10-30 at 22:17 -0700, Jeffrey Carl Faden wrote:
> In fairness about criticizing this new policy... another policy was in
> play for only a few weeks and it was already overruled without giving
> it the three months allotted to see if it improved the space.
> Yes, people were complaining about it, but people are also complaining
> about this, aren't they?
> On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 6:19 PM, Jake <jake at spaz.org> wrote:
>         The front page of the website is a wiki.  You can edit it if
>         you think it needs to change.  When did you stop being a
>         hacker?
>         This policy hasn't been in effect a full day yet, and yet
>         you're full of criticism for it with ZERO constructive
>         suggestions.  [insert joke about constructing bunk beds here]
>         as for killing the goose that lays the golden eggs, apparently
>         more people believe that to be true about people who refused
>         for so long to do anything about the downhill slide that
>         noisebridge has been in for a long time.  Geese can die from
>         lack of care you know.
>         As for being surprised that members passed this, another way
>         to word it is that after weeks of discussion about this issue,
>         all of the members who decided to show up agreed that it
>         needed to be done.
>         problems are not solved by blocking or criticising efforts.
>          Problems are solved by making changes until things work
>         better.
>         As for noisebridge's public image, I empower you to publicize
>         the subtle concept that the general public is welcome to stop
>         by and that they will almost certainly be invited in and given
>         a proper introduction and tour, and that we are eager to see
>         them.
>         While you're at it please tell them that we are working hard
>         to replace our current perception by the public as a place you
>         would never WANT to go with one where you WILL want to go and
>         hack.  And if you refuse to recognize the reality that the
>         golden eggs don't WANT to go to noisebridge because of its
>         radical inclusivity, you're ignoring a lot of people's
>         opinions.
>         -jake
>         On Wed, 30 Oct 2013, Leif Ryge wrote:
>                 On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 11:41:14AM -0700, Jake wrote:
>                         in every practical way nothing has changed at
>                         all.
>                         [...]
>                         Noisebridge continues to be open to the public
>                         24/7 just as it always was.
>                 Do you actually believe those two statements? I almost
>                 expect you to say "not
>                 wittingly" next!
>                 The front page of the website now says "Noisebridge is
>                 open 24/7 to Members,
>                 Associate Members and guests thereof".
>                 It seems pretty obvious that people who don't know
>                 anyone there would, upon
>                 reading that, get the impression that they can't just
>                 drop in. I think most
>                 people (by a large margin) who have done awesome stuff
>                 at Noisebridge didn't
>                 know anyone physically present the first times they
>                 visited the space. So, I
>                 think this policy will have a significant negative
>                 impact.
>                 As I've said before, I think you're killing the goose
>                 that lays golden eggs.
>                 I am especially disappointed that this extremely
>                 drastic change was adopted at a meeting with only four
>                 members present. I hope the membership of Noisebridge
>                 will reconsider this.
>                 ~leif
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