[Noisebridge-discuss] Noisebridge is now Members and their Guests only, 24/7 please read and learn about it
Darius Garza
313kid at gmail.com
Thu Oct 31 17:21:01 UTC 2013
It's been said a number of times already, but for the record, I'm also
opposed to this members only paradigm shift. Don't kill the "golden goose"!
On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 8:58 AM, jim <jim at systemateka.com> wrote:
>
>
> To a large extent my complaint is about the
> anger and hostility that radiates from some of
> the email.
> To some extent it seems to me that the
> excitement some feel about others' activities
> is not hacking but getting sucked into the
> politics of community.
> Sure there are frustrating aspects of a
> truly open community, but the approach of
> dealing with problems by policy and fiat is
> clearly a poor approach, as exemplified by
> the Republican party's dictatorial actions.
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, 2013-10-30 at 22:17 -0700, Jeffrey Carl Faden wrote:
> > In fairness about criticizing this new policy... another policy was in
> > play for only a few weeks and it was already overruled without giving
> > it the three months allotted to see if it improved the space.
> >
> >
> > Yes, people were complaining about it, but people are also complaining
> > about this, aren't they?
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 6:19 PM, Jake <jake at spaz.org> wrote:
> > The front page of the website is a wiki. You can edit it if
> > you think it needs to change. When did you stop being a
> > hacker?
> >
> > This policy hasn't been in effect a full day yet, and yet
> > you're full of criticism for it with ZERO constructive
> > suggestions. [insert joke about constructing bunk beds here]
> >
> > as for killing the goose that lays the golden eggs, apparently
> > more people believe that to be true about people who refused
> > for so long to do anything about the downhill slide that
> > noisebridge has been in for a long time. Geese can die from
> > lack of care you know.
> >
> > As for being surprised that members passed this, another way
> > to word it is that after weeks of discussion about this issue,
> > all of the members who decided to show up agreed that it
> > needed to be done.
> >
> > problems are not solved by blocking or criticising efforts.
> > Problems are solved by making changes until things work
> > better.
> >
> > As for noisebridge's public image, I empower you to publicize
> > the subtle concept that the general public is welcome to stop
> > by and that they will almost certainly be invited in and given
> > a proper introduction and tour, and that we are eager to see
> > them.
> >
> > While you're at it please tell them that we are working hard
> > to replace our current perception by the public as a place you
> > would never WANT to go with one where you WILL want to go and
> > hack. And if you refuse to recognize the reality that the
> > golden eggs don't WANT to go to noisebridge because of its
> > radical inclusivity, you're ignoring a lot of people's
> > opinions.
> >
> > -jake
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 30 Oct 2013, Leif Ryge wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 11:41:14AM -0700, Jake wrote:
> > in every practical way nothing has changed at
> > all.
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > Noisebridge continues to be open to the public
> > 24/7 just as it always was.
> >
> > Do you actually believe those two statements? I almost
> > expect you to say "not
> > wittingly" next!
> >
> > The front page of the website now says "Noisebridge is
> > open 24/7 to Members,
> > Associate Members and guests thereof".
> >
> > It seems pretty obvious that people who don't know
> > anyone there would, upon
> > reading that, get the impression that they can't just
> > drop in. I think most
> > people (by a large margin) who have done awesome stuff
> > at Noisebridge didn't
> > know anyone physically present the first times they
> > visited the space. So, I
> > think this policy will have a significant negative
> > impact.
> >
> > As I've said before, I think you're killing the goose
> > that lays golden eggs.
> >
> > I am especially disappointed that this extremely
> > drastic change was adopted at a meeting with only four
> > members present. I hope the membership of Noisebridge
> > will reconsider this.
> >
> > ~leif
> >
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