[Noisebridge-discuss] Noisebridge is now Members and their Guests only, 24/7 please read and learn about it
Curtis Gagliardi
gagliardi.curtis at gmail.com
Thu Oct 31 18:59:30 UTC 2013
I don't know how much my opinion matters as a non-member, but as someone
who comes to noisebridge as a place to hang out and write code, often until
past 11, it's pretty disappointing to imagine being asked to leave despite
doing nothing unexcellent. Coming to Noisebridge when I first got to SF
without knowing anyone in the city was already an intimidating experience,
I'm can't imagine knowing I needed to try to hunt down a member to vouch
for me as soon as possible would have made it feel more welcoming.
On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 10:21 AM, Darius Garza <313kid at gmail.com> wrote:
> It's been said a number of times already, but for the record, I'm also
> opposed to this members only paradigm shift. Don't kill the "golden goose"!
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 8:58 AM, jim <jim at systemateka.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> To a large extent my complaint is about the
>> anger and hostility that radiates from some of
>> the email.
>> To some extent it seems to me that the
>> excitement some feel about others' activities
>> is not hacking but getting sucked into the
>> politics of community.
>> Sure there are frustrating aspects of a
>> truly open community, but the approach of
>> dealing with problems by policy and fiat is
>> clearly a poor approach, as exemplified by
>> the Republican party's dictatorial actions.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 2013-10-30 at 22:17 -0700, Jeffrey Carl Faden wrote:
>> > In fairness about criticizing this new policy... another policy was in
>> > play for only a few weeks and it was already overruled without giving
>> > it the three months allotted to see if it improved the space.
>> >
>> >
>> > Yes, people were complaining about it, but people are also complaining
>> > about this, aren't they?
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 6:19 PM, Jake <jake at spaz.org> wrote:
>> > The front page of the website is a wiki. You can edit it if
>> > you think it needs to change. When did you stop being a
>> > hacker?
>> >
>> > This policy hasn't been in effect a full day yet, and yet
>> > you're full of criticism for it with ZERO constructive
>> > suggestions. [insert joke about constructing bunk beds here]
>> >
>> > as for killing the goose that lays the golden eggs, apparently
>> > more people believe that to be true about people who refused
>> > for so long to do anything about the downhill slide that
>> > noisebridge has been in for a long time. Geese can die from
>> > lack of care you know.
>> >
>> > As for being surprised that members passed this, another way
>> > to word it is that after weeks of discussion about this issue,
>> > all of the members who decided to show up agreed that it
>> > needed to be done.
>> >
>> > problems are not solved by blocking or criticising efforts.
>> > Problems are solved by making changes until things work
>> > better.
>> >
>> > As for noisebridge's public image, I empower you to publicize
>> > the subtle concept that the general public is welcome to stop
>> > by and that they will almost certainly be invited in and given
>> > a proper introduction and tour, and that we are eager to see
>> > them.
>> >
>> > While you're at it please tell them that we are working hard
>> > to replace our current perception by the public as a place you
>> > would never WANT to go with one where you WILL want to go and
>> > hack. And if you refuse to recognize the reality that the
>> > golden eggs don't WANT to go to noisebridge because of its
>> > radical inclusivity, you're ignoring a lot of people's
>> > opinions.
>> >
>> > -jake
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, 30 Oct 2013, Leif Ryge wrote:
>> >
>> > On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 11:41:14AM -0700, Jake wrote:
>> > in every practical way nothing has changed at
>> > all.
>> >
>> > [...]
>> >
>> > Noisebridge continues to be open to the public
>> > 24/7 just as it always was.
>> >
>> > Do you actually believe those two statements? I almost
>> > expect you to say "not
>> > wittingly" next!
>> >
>> > The front page of the website now says "Noisebridge is
>> > open 24/7 to Members,
>> > Associate Members and guests thereof".
>> >
>> > It seems pretty obvious that people who don't know
>> > anyone there would, upon
>> > reading that, get the impression that they can't just
>> > drop in. I think most
>> > people (by a large margin) who have done awesome stuff
>> > at Noisebridge didn't
>> > know anyone physically present the first times they
>> > visited the space. So, I
>> > think this policy will have a significant negative
>> > impact.
>> >
>> > As I've said before, I think you're killing the goose
>> > that lays golden eggs.
>> >
>> > I am especially disappointed that this extremely
>> > drastic change was adopted at a meeting with only four
>> > members present. I hope the membership of Noisebridge
>> > will reconsider this.
>> >
>> > ~leif
>> >
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