[Noisebridge-discuss] Noisebridge is now Members and their Guests only, 24/7 please read and learn about it

Jeffrey Carl Faden jeffreyatw at gmail.com
Thu Oct 31 19:42:50 UTC 2013


My sister does SEO for Members Only and your link to the site, obviously intended as humor, threw me for a loop and I thought her company had installed scary adware into all of my mail clients at once.

Jeffrey

On Oct 31, 2013, at 12:05 PM, Lee Sonko <lee at lee.org> wrote:

> I should note that whatever can be done by consensus can be undone by consensus the next week. Well, actually it would take 2 weeks given the current consensus-created policy. If there is real trouble with the new members only policy, it can be changed.  
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> On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 10:21 AM, Darius Garza <313kid at gmail.com> wrote:
> It's been said a number of times already, but for the record, I'm also opposed to this members only paradigm shift. Don't kill the "golden goose"!
> 
> 
> On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 8:58 AM, jim <jim at systemateka.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>     To a large extent my complaint is about the
> anger and hostility that radiates from some of
> the email.
>     To some extent it seems to me that the
> excitement some feel about others' activities
> is not hacking but getting sucked into the
> politics of community.
>     Sure there are frustrating aspects of a
> truly open community, but the approach of
> dealing with problems by policy and fiat is
> clearly a poor approach, as exemplified by
> the Republican party's dictatorial actions.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, 2013-10-30 at 22:17 -0700, Jeffrey Carl Faden wrote:
> > In fairness about criticizing this new policy... another policy was in
> > play for only a few weeks and it was already overruled without giving
> > it the three months allotted to see if it improved the space.
> >
> >
> > Yes, people were complaining about it, but people are also complaining
> > about this, aren't they?
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 6:19 PM, Jake <jake at spaz.org> wrote:
> >         The front page of the website is a wiki.  You can edit it if
> >         you think it needs to change.  When did you stop being a
> >         hacker?
> >
> >         This policy hasn't been in effect a full day yet, and yet
> >         you're full of criticism for it with ZERO constructive
> >         suggestions.  [insert joke about constructing bunk beds here]
> >
> >         as for killing the goose that lays the golden eggs, apparently
> >         more people believe that to be true about people who refused
> >         for so long to do anything about the downhill slide that
> >         noisebridge has been in for a long time.  Geese can die from
> >         lack of care you know.
> >
> >         As for being surprised that members passed this, another way
> >         to word it is that after weeks of discussion about this issue,
> >         all of the members who decided to show up agreed that it
> >         needed to be done.
> >
> >         problems are not solved by blocking or criticising efforts.
> >          Problems are solved by making changes until things work
> >         better.
> >
> >         As for noisebridge's public image, I empower you to publicize
> >         the subtle concept that the general public is welcome to stop
> >         by and that they will almost certainly be invited in and given
> >         a proper introduction and tour, and that we are eager to see
> >         them.
> >
> >         While you're at it please tell them that we are working hard
> >         to replace our current perception by the public as a place you
> >         would never WANT to go with one where you WILL want to go and
> >         hack.  And if you refuse to recognize the reality that the
> >         golden eggs don't WANT to go to noisebridge because of its
> >         radical inclusivity, you're ignoring a lot of people's
> >         opinions.
> >
> >         -jake
> >
> >
> >         On Wed, 30 Oct 2013, Leif Ryge wrote:
> >
> >                 On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 11:41:14AM -0700, Jake wrote:
> >                         in every practical way nothing has changed at
> >                         all.
> >
> >                         [...]
> >
> >                         Noisebridge continues to be open to the public
> >                         24/7 just as it always was.
> >
> >                 Do you actually believe those two statements? I almost
> >                 expect you to say "not
> >                 wittingly" next!
> >
> >                 The front page of the website now says "Noisebridge is
> >                 open 24/7 to Members,
> >                 Associate Members and guests thereof".
> >
> >                 It seems pretty obvious that people who don't know
> >                 anyone there would, upon
> >                 reading that, get the impression that they can't just
> >                 drop in. I think most
> >                 people (by a large margin) who have done awesome stuff
> >                 at Noisebridge didn't
> >                 know anyone physically present the first times they
> >                 visited the space. So, I
> >                 think this policy will have a significant negative
> >                 impact.
> >
> >                 As I've said before, I think you're killing the goose
> >                 that lays golden eggs.
> >
> >                 I am especially disappointed that this extremely
> >                 drastic change was adopted at a meeting with only four
> >                 members present. I hope the membership of Noisebridge
> >                 will reconsider this.
> >
> >                 ~leif
> >
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