[Noisebridge-discuss] Noisebridge is now Members and their Guests only, 24/7 please read and learn about it
Norman Bradley
pryankster at gmail.com
Thu Oct 31 22:08:06 UTC 2013
4 signatures.
You are entitled to your own opinion.
You are NOT entitled to your own facts.
Norman
On 10/31/2013 1:29 PM, Jake wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
>
> why are you imagining being asked to leave? if you like noisebridge,
> will you consider signing up to be an associate member?
>
> you only need two signatures on your application (by members) before
> you are allowed in the space any time without an escort.
>
> once you have four signatures, you're an associate member and can
> sponsor other people to be in the space.
>
> it's really not that hard. I'll sponsor you right now. with this post.
>
> - -jake
>
> On Thu, 31 Oct 2013, Curtis Gagliardi wrote:
>
>> I don't know how much my opinion matters as a non-member, but as
>> someone who comes to noisebridge as a place to hang out and
>> write code, often until past 11, it's pretty disappointing to imagine
>> being asked to leave despite doing nothing unexcellent.
>> Coming to Noisebridge when I first got to SF without knowing anyone
>> in the city was already an intimidating experience, I'm
>> can't imagine knowing I needed to try to hunt down a member to vouch
>> for me as soon as possible would have made it feel more
>> welcoming.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 10:21 AM, Darius Garza <313kid at gmail.com> wrote:
>> It's been said a number of times already, but for the record,
>> I'm also opposed to this members only paradigm shift.
>> Don't kill the "golden goose"!
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 8:58 AM, jim <jim at systemateka.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> To a large extent my complaint is about the
>> anger and hostility that radiates from some of
>> the email.
>> To some extent it seems to me that the
>> excitement some feel about others' activities
>> is not hacking but getting sucked into the
>> politics of community.
>> Sure there are frustrating aspects of a
>> truly open community, but the approach of
>> dealing with problems by policy and fiat is
>> clearly a poor approach, as exemplified by
>> the Republican party's dictatorial actions.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 2013-10-30 at 22:17 -0700, Jeffrey Carl Faden wrote:
>> > In fairness about criticizing this new policy... another
>> policy was in
>> > play for only a few weeks and it was already overruled
>> without giving
>> > it the three months allotted to see if it improved the space.
>> >
>> >
>> > Yes, people were complaining about it, but people are also
>> complaining
>> > about this, aren't they?
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 6:19 PM, Jake <jake at spaz.org> wrote:
>> > The front page of the website is a wiki. You can
>> edit it if
>> > you think it needs to change. When did you stop being a
>> > hacker?
>> >
>> > This policy hasn't been in effect a full day yet, and
>> yet
>> > you're full of criticism for it with ZERO constructive
>> > suggestions. [insert joke about constructing bunk
>> beds here]
>> >
>> > as for killing the goose that lays the golden eggs,
>> apparently
>> > more people believe that to be true about people who
>> refused
>> > for so long to do anything about the downhill slide that
>> > noisebridge has been in for a long time. Geese can
>> die from
>> > lack of care you know.
>> >
>> > As for being surprised that members passed this,
>> another way
>> > to word it is that after weeks of discussion about
>> this issue,
>> > all of the members who decided to show up agreed that it
>> > needed to be done.
>> >
>> > problems are not solved by blocking or criticising
>> efforts.
>> > Problems are solved by making changes until things work
>> > better.
>> >
>> > As for noisebridge's public image, I empower you to
>> publicize
>> > the subtle concept that the general public is welcome
>> to stop
>> > by and that they will almost certainly be invited in
>> and given
>> > a proper introduction and tour, and that we are eager
>> to see
>> > them.
>> >
>> > While you're at it please tell them that we are
>> working hard
>> > to replace our current perception by the public as a
>> place you
>> > would never WANT to go with one where you WILL want
>> to go and
>> > hack. And if you refuse to recognize the reality
>> that the
>> > golden eggs don't WANT to go to noisebridge because
>> of its
>> > radical inclusivity, you're ignoring a lot of people's
>> > opinions.
>> >
>> > -jake
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, 30 Oct 2013, Leif Ryge wrote:
>> >
>> > On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 11:41:14AM -0700,
>> Jake wrote:
>> > in every practical way nothing has
>> changed at
>> > all.
>> >
>> > [...]
>> >
>> > Noisebridge continues to be open to
>> the public
>> > 24/7 just as it always was.
>> >
>> > Do you actually believe those two statements?
>> I almost
>> > expect you to say "not
>> > wittingly" next!
>> >
>> > The front page of the website now says
>> "Noisebridge is
>> > open 24/7 to Members,
>> > Associate Members and guests thereof".
>> >
>> > It seems pretty obvious that people who don't
>> know
>> > anyone there would, upon
>> > reading that, get the impression that they
>> can't just
>> > drop in. I think most
>> > people (by a large margin) who have done
>> awesome stuff
>> > at Noisebridge didn't
>> > know anyone physically present the first
>> times they
>> > visited the space. So, I
>> > think this policy will have a significant
>> negative
>> > impact.
>> >
>> > As I've said before, I think you're killing
>> the goose
>> > that lays golden eggs.
>> >
>> > I am especially disappointed that this extremely
>> > drastic change was adopted at a meeting with
>> only four
>> > members present. I hope the membership of
>> Noisebridge
>> > will reconsider this.
>> >
>> > ~leif
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Noisebridge-discuss mailing list
>> > Noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
>> > https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/noisebridge-discuss
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Noisebridge-discuss mailing list
>> > Noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
>> > https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/noisebridge-discuss
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Noisebridge-discuss mailing list
>> Noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
>> https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/noisebridge-discuss
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Noisebridge-discuss mailing list
>> Noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
>> https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/noisebridge-discuss
>>
>>
>>
>>
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
> Version: GnuPG v2.0.21 (FreeBSD)
>
> iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJScr28AAoJEN7XJKHgSSB1i5EP/0+JqtSkP9nLrA0rnj+O8SYs
> uZRSPWayh2wL+eeoLOEyMkm6kPfBo72wvq4I9uCapCa3HiTIWAxOvu81Cfddeksk
> U3GytKmvsBBk56WJA4WjVtXOAcd3ils0Y69p+5BH3gFG3fGQxeyyLUXn6Go7y0j/
> s4mg6In9Fm3ovjYPTlByBurp8ONopYSoAm4FdAC9gs/wBnnf/5DOUx51HDcL/OtW
> HJItSLRkYH3oeCjl6/5esJs6Lk3IrNfy65Ln6338EffoShY3g1B7A6lhM3oUzzNt
> SFm2V9MqisyGoUpTYT7qfh8FnL+mLZ3aYONZufU84nowY9+0przpOs43MeJpsRSK
> TTlQZQgsARB3vn5RjWhGEcmjbAi2uH2tgDsA3boynYwxeSvyxufzNBNCfgWIgzwr
> xejRVkKiox538yStXecTvC1jjOqGwr7TQgd/oz5bi5hJE0I65Be5jyX2x8sTaSXu
> lHZDIqiaHT/9mSTmipKkhVjdkxOhUF9dX+c4RFnc3cF0e4YJU61aLAMjd/ZneHLI
> GFWBi0+1KC/3PnD6xr68LDK1yo717cfI9lX2nH6Ls+0rBReloujxknrLVKbavIbd
> 0133adE5HNOBe7G3e2P2Bs6xhrbHfnI8//Ndsn8Nx2+MGaFGsjGC99qffi4Q2N+9
> +uq19tkIo6tGFA/PYRjd
> =hFSG
> -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Noisebridge-discuss mailing list
> Noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
> https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/noisebridge-discuss
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://www.noisebridge.net/pipermail/noisebridge-discuss/attachments/20131031/02dfa3ba/attachment.html>
More information about the Noisebridge-discuss
mailing list