[Noisebridge-discuss] Noisebridge is now Members and their Guests only, 24/7 please read and learn about it

Norman Bradley pryankster at gmail.com
Thu Oct 31 22:08:06 UTC 2013


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You are entitled to your own opinion.
You are NOT entitled to your own facts.

Norman

On 10/31/2013 1:29 PM, Jake wrote:
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> why are you imagining being asked to leave?  if you like noisebridge, 
> will you consider signing up to be an associate member?
>
> you only need two signatures on your application (by members) before 
> you are allowed in the space any time without an escort.
>
> once you have four signatures, you're an associate member and can 
> sponsor other people to be in the space.
>
> it's really not that hard.  I'll sponsor you right now.  with this post.
>
> - -jake
>
> On Thu, 31 Oct 2013, Curtis Gagliardi wrote:
>
>> I don't know how much my opinion matters as a non-member, but as 
>> someone who comes to noisebridge as a place to hang out and
>> write code, often until past 11, it's pretty disappointing to imagine 
>> being asked to leave despite doing nothing unexcellent.
>>  Coming to Noisebridge when I first got to SF without knowing anyone 
>> in the city was already an intimidating experience, I'm
>> can't imagine knowing I needed to try to hunt down a member to vouch 
>> for me as soon as possible would have made it feel more
>> welcoming.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 10:21 AM, Darius Garza <313kid at gmail.com> wrote:
>>       It's been said a number of times already, but for the record, 
>> I'm also opposed to this members only paradigm shift.
>>       Don't kill the "golden goose"!
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 8:58 AM, jim <jim at systemateka.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>           To a large extent my complaint is about the
>>       anger and hostility that radiates from some of
>>       the email.
>>           To some extent it seems to me that the
>>       excitement some feel about others' activities
>>       is not hacking but getting sucked into the
>>       politics of community.
>>           Sure there are frustrating aspects of a
>>       truly open community, but the approach of
>>       dealing with problems by policy and fiat is
>>       clearly a poor approach, as exemplified by
>>       the Republican party's dictatorial actions.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>       On Wed, 2013-10-30 at 22:17 -0700, Jeffrey Carl Faden wrote:
>>       > In fairness about criticizing this new policy... another 
>> policy was in
>>       > play for only a few weeks and it was already overruled 
>> without giving
>>       > it the three months allotted to see if it improved the space.
>>       >
>>       >
>>       > Yes, people were complaining about it, but people are also 
>> complaining
>>       > about this, aren't they?
>>       >
>>       >
>>       > On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 6:19 PM, Jake <jake at spaz.org> wrote:
>>       >         The front page of the website is a wiki.  You can 
>> edit it if
>>       >         you think it needs to change.  When did you stop being a
>>       >         hacker?
>>       >
>>       >         This policy hasn't been in effect a full day yet, and 
>> yet
>>       >         you're full of criticism for it with ZERO constructive
>>       >         suggestions.  [insert joke about constructing bunk 
>> beds here]
>>       >
>>       >         as for killing the goose that lays the golden eggs, 
>> apparently
>>       >         more people believe that to be true about people who 
>> refused
>>       >         for so long to do anything about the downhill slide that
>>       >         noisebridge has been in for a long time.  Geese can 
>> die from
>>       >         lack of care you know.
>>       >
>>       >         As for being surprised that members passed this, 
>> another way
>>       >         to word it is that after weeks of discussion about 
>> this issue,
>>       >         all of the members who decided to show up agreed that it
>>       >         needed to be done.
>>       >
>>       >         problems are not solved by blocking or criticising 
>> efforts.
>>       >          Problems are solved by making changes until things work
>>       >         better.
>>       >
>>       >         As for noisebridge's public image, I empower you to 
>> publicize
>>       >         the subtle concept that the general public is welcome 
>> to stop
>>       >         by and that they will almost certainly be invited in 
>> and given
>>       >         a proper introduction and tour, and that we are eager 
>> to see
>>       >         them.
>>       >
>>       >         While you're at it please tell them that we are 
>> working hard
>>       >         to replace our current perception by the public as a 
>> place you
>>       >         would never WANT to go with one where you WILL want 
>> to go and
>>       >         hack.  And if you refuse to recognize the reality 
>> that the
>>       >         golden eggs don't WANT to go to noisebridge because 
>> of its
>>       >         radical inclusivity, you're ignoring a lot of people's
>>       >         opinions.
>>       >
>>       >         -jake
>>       >
>>       >
>>       >         On Wed, 30 Oct 2013, Leif Ryge wrote:
>>       >
>>       >                 On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 11:41:14AM -0700, 
>> Jake wrote:
>>       >                         in every practical way nothing has 
>> changed at
>>       >                         all.
>>       >
>>       >                         [...]
>>       >
>>       >                         Noisebridge continues to be open to 
>> the public
>>       >                         24/7 just as it always was.
>>       >
>>       >                 Do you actually believe those two statements? 
>> I almost
>>       >                 expect you to say "not
>>       >                 wittingly" next!
>>       >
>>       >                 The front page of the website now says 
>> "Noisebridge is
>>       >                 open 24/7 to Members,
>>       >                 Associate Members and guests thereof".
>>       >
>>       >                 It seems pretty obvious that people who don't 
>> know
>>       >                 anyone there would, upon
>>       >                 reading that, get the impression that they 
>> can't just
>>       >                 drop in. I think most
>>       >                 people (by a large margin) who have done 
>> awesome stuff
>>       >                 at Noisebridge didn't
>>       >                 know anyone physically present the first 
>> times they
>>       >                 visited the space. So, I
>>       >                 think this policy will have a significant 
>> negative
>>       >                 impact.
>>       >
>>       >                 As I've said before, I think you're killing 
>> the goose
>>       >                 that lays golden eggs.
>>       >
>>       >                 I am especially disappointed that this extremely
>>       >                 drastic change was adopted at a meeting with 
>> only four
>>       >                 members present. I hope the membership of 
>> Noisebridge
>>       >                 will reconsider this.
>>       >
>>       >                 ~leif
>>       >
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