[Noisebridge-discuss] not calling police (was: thursdaaaaaay)

[Dan Cote]

I think we ought to re-think the closing hours and member stuff. I saw a
similar incident almost go down on Tuesday night at ~11:45pm. Having a time
when the space changes over is causing conflict. I'm down to put some time
into solving this. Preferably, people are greeted when they get to the
door, and whatever "process" needs to be inflicted on people happens at
that time 24-7.


On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 3:04 PM, Jake <jake at spaz.org> wrote:

> I spoke with Monad for a while about calling the police on Pigeon the
> other night, and tried to impress on him the importance of keeping The
> Police calling as an absolute last resort.
>
> (I wasn't there thursday night)
>
> I told him about the 311 phone call system that used to be in place, where
> Noisebridgers who lived nearby would make themselves available to be woken
> up to come to the space and handle situations that needed immediate
> mediation (or at least talk someone down over the phone)
>
> Apparently there were not enough people at Noisebridge at the time who
> were actively backing up Monad's insistence that Pigeon leave.  I find this
> unexcellent, because everyone should take responsibility to solve problems
> like this when they come up.
>
> If people agreed with Monad that Pigeon should leave, they should have
> stood shoulder to shoulder with Monad staring down Pigeon (nothing further
> than that is required) Or, if they disagreed that Pigeon should leave, they
> should have mediated the conflict right then and there.
>
> According to Monad, apparently people decided they didn't care, and they
> sat back down and ignored the situation and then the police were called.
> And while Dana and Rayc showed up to help, and Daravinne was there, somehow
> this wasn't enough to solve the problem a different way.
>
> We should all learn what we can from this thing that happened, and I think
> we should remember that when conflict is happening in the space, we should
> step up to help solve it before something drastic happens.
>
> Also it sounds like Pigeon is an asshole and Monad was just trying to do
> what he thought was right for Noisebridge, in context of the problem he
> faced and the support he had on his side.
>
> -jake
>
>
> bfb wrote:
>
> Hmm, I was at a Noisebridge benefit with Monad until around 23:00 that
> night.
>
> Daravinne, did Pigeon's behavior warrant a call to the police? Did they
> threaten the safety of themselves or others at Noisebridge? It sounds to
> me that Monad overreacted. It should not become common place to request
> police assistance at Nosiebridge. -Kevin
>
> daravinne wrote:
>
>  coffee roasting workshop and 3d printer group earlier in the evening.
>>  everything was basically quiet and normal til about 11ish when pigeon
>> was asked to leave by monad.  pigeon refused to leave, whereupon monad
>> called the police.  then there were police in the space for a few minutes,
>> and then rayc and dana showed up.  pigeon did leave of his own accord and
>> has been asked again not to return until a tuesday meeting. i've asked
>> monad to take pigeon's picture and put it on the 86 page with a brief
>> description of the problems and steps taken and current state, etc.
>>
>> otherstuff:  i found a black duffel kinda bag with an orange towely thing
>> at the top, in the server room.  i have taken it out of the server room and
>> closed the server room door.  the bag is by the shelves by the server room.
>>  i also bought toilet paper because there was none left. the wired network
>> is in some state of unworking but wireless works fine.
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