[Noisebridge-discuss] Noisebridge is now Members and their Guests only, 24/7 please read and learn about it
Jake
jake at spaz.org
Thu Oct 31 20:22:34 UTC 2013
invoking the republicans is technically godwins law territory.
On Thu, 31 Oct 2013, jim wrote:
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> To a large extent my complaint is about the
> anger and hostility that radiates from some of
> the email.
> To some extent it seems to me that the
> excitement some feel about others' activities
> is not hacking but getting sucked into the
> politics of community.
> Sure there are frustrating aspects of a
> truly open community, but the approach of
> dealing with problems by policy and fiat is
> clearly a poor approach, as exemplified by
> the Republican party's dictatorial actions.
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> On Wed, 2013-10-30 at 22:17 -0700, Jeffrey Carl Faden wrote:
>> In fairness about criticizing this new policy... another policy was in
>> play for only a few weeks and it was already overruled without giving
>> it the three months allotted to see if it improved the space.
>>
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>> Yes, people were complaining about it, but people are also complaining
>> about this, aren't they?
>>
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>> On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 6:19 PM, Jake <jake at spaz.org> wrote:
>> The front page of the website is a wiki. You can edit it if
>> you think it needs to change. When did you stop being a
>> hacker?
>>
>> This policy hasn't been in effect a full day yet, and yet
>> you're full of criticism for it with ZERO constructive
>> suggestions. [insert joke about constructing bunk beds here]
>>
>> as for killing the goose that lays the golden eggs, apparently
>> more people believe that to be true about people who refused
>> for so long to do anything about the downhill slide that
>> noisebridge has been in for a long time. Geese can die from
>> lack of care you know.
>>
>> As for being surprised that members passed this, another way
>> to word it is that after weeks of discussion about this issue,
>> all of the members who decided to show up agreed that it
>> needed to be done.
>>
>> problems are not solved by blocking or criticising efforts.
>> Problems are solved by making changes until things work
>> better.
>>
>> As for noisebridge's public image, I empower you to publicize
>> the subtle concept that the general public is welcome to stop
>> by and that they will almost certainly be invited in and given
>> a proper introduction and tour, and that we are eager to see
>> them.
>>
>> While you're at it please tell them that we are working hard
>> to replace our current perception by the public as a place you
>> would never WANT to go with one where you WILL want to go and
>> hack. And if you refuse to recognize the reality that the
>> golden eggs don't WANT to go to noisebridge because of its
>> radical inclusivity, you're ignoring a lot of people's
>> opinions.
>>
>> -jake
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 30 Oct 2013, Leif Ryge wrote:
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>> On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 11:41:14AM -0700, Jake wrote:
>> in every practical way nothing has changed at
>> all.
>>
>> [...]
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>> Noisebridge continues to be open to the public
>> 24/7 just as it always was.
>>
>> Do you actually believe those two statements? I almost
>> expect you to say "not
>> wittingly" next!
>>
>> The front page of the website now says "Noisebridge is
>> open 24/7 to Members,
>> Associate Members and guests thereof".
>>
>> It seems pretty obvious that people who don't know
>> anyone there would, upon
>> reading that, get the impression that they can't just
>> drop in. I think most
>> people (by a large margin) who have done awesome stuff
>> at Noisebridge didn't
>> know anyone physically present the first times they
>> visited the space. So, I
>> think this policy will have a significant negative
>> impact.
>>
>> As I've said before, I think you're killing the goose
>> that lays golden eggs.
>>
>> I am especially disappointed that this extremely
>> drastic change was adopted at a meeting with only four
>> members present. I hope the membership of Noisebridge
>> will reconsider this.
>>
>> ~leif
>>
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