[Noisebridge-discuss] Noisebridge is now Members and their Guests only, 24/7 please read and learn about it
Jake
jake at spaz.org
Thu Oct 31 20:29:48 UTC 2013
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why are you imagining being asked to leave? if you like noisebridge, will
you consider signing up to be an associate member?
you only need two signatures on your application (by members) before you
are allowed in the space any time without an escort.
once you have four signatures, you're an associate member and can sponsor
other people to be in the space.
it's really not that hard. I'll sponsor you right now. with this post.
- -jake
On Thu, 31 Oct 2013, Curtis Gagliardi wrote:
> I don't know how much my opinion matters as a non-member, but as someone who comes to noisebridge as a place to hang out and
> write code, often until past 11, it's pretty disappointing to imagine being asked to leave despite doing nothing unexcellent.
> Coming to Noisebridge when I first got to SF without knowing anyone in the city was already an intimidating experience, I'm
> can't imagine knowing I needed to try to hunt down a member to vouch for me as soon as possible would have made it feel more
> welcoming.
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 10:21 AM, Darius Garza <313kid at gmail.com> wrote:
> It's been said a number of times already, but for the record, I'm also opposed to this members only paradigm shift.
> Don't kill the "golden goose"!
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 8:58 AM, jim <jim at systemateka.com> wrote:
>
>
> To a large extent my complaint is about the
> anger and hostility that radiates from some of
> the email.
> To some extent it seems to me that the
> excitement some feel about others' activities
> is not hacking but getting sucked into the
> politics of community.
> Sure there are frustrating aspects of a
> truly open community, but the approach of
> dealing with problems by policy and fiat is
> clearly a poor approach, as exemplified by
> the Republican party's dictatorial actions.
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, 2013-10-30 at 22:17 -0700, Jeffrey Carl Faden wrote:
> > In fairness about criticizing this new policy... another policy was in
> > play for only a few weeks and it was already overruled without giving
> > it the three months allotted to see if it improved the space.
> >
> >
> > Yes, people were complaining about it, but people are also complaining
> > about this, aren't they?
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 6:19 PM, Jake <jake at spaz.org> wrote:
> > The front page of the website is a wiki. You can edit it if
> > you think it needs to change. When did you stop being a
> > hacker?
> >
> > This policy hasn't been in effect a full day yet, and yet
> > you're full of criticism for it with ZERO constructive
> > suggestions. [insert joke about constructing bunk beds here]
> >
> > as for killing the goose that lays the golden eggs, apparently
> > more people believe that to be true about people who refused
> > for so long to do anything about the downhill slide that
> > noisebridge has been in for a long time. Geese can die from
> > lack of care you know.
> >
> > As for being surprised that members passed this, another way
> > to word it is that after weeks of discussion about this issue,
> > all of the members who decided to show up agreed that it
> > needed to be done.
> >
> > problems are not solved by blocking or criticising efforts.
> > Problems are solved by making changes until things work
> > better.
> >
> > As for noisebridge's public image, I empower you to publicize
> > the subtle concept that the general public is welcome to stop
> > by and that they will almost certainly be invited in and given
> > a proper introduction and tour, and that we are eager to see
> > them.
> >
> > While you're at it please tell them that we are working hard
> > to replace our current perception by the public as a place you
> > would never WANT to go with one where you WILL want to go and
> > hack. And if you refuse to recognize the reality that the
> > golden eggs don't WANT to go to noisebridge because of its
> > radical inclusivity, you're ignoring a lot of people's
> > opinions.
> >
> > -jake
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 30 Oct 2013, Leif Ryge wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 11:41:14AM -0700, Jake wrote:
> > in every practical way nothing has changed at
> > all.
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > Noisebridge continues to be open to the public
> > 24/7 just as it always was.
> >
> > Do you actually believe those two statements? I almost
> > expect you to say "not
> > wittingly" next!
> >
> > The front page of the website now says "Noisebridge is
> > open 24/7 to Members,
> > Associate Members and guests thereof".
> >
> > It seems pretty obvious that people who don't know
> > anyone there would, upon
> > reading that, get the impression that they can't just
> > drop in. I think most
> > people (by a large margin) who have done awesome stuff
> > at Noisebridge didn't
> > know anyone physically present the first times they
> > visited the space. So, I
> > think this policy will have a significant negative
> > impact.
> >
> > As I've said before, I think you're killing the goose
> > that lays golden eggs.
> >
> > I am especially disappointed that this extremely
> > drastic change was adopted at a meeting with only four
> > members present. I hope the membership of Noisebridge
> > will reconsider this.
> >
> > ~leif
> >
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