[Noisebridge-discuss] Proposal to ban Adam by consensus

Jean-Luc Picard atari2600a at gmail.com
Sat Sep 28 23:23:23 UTC 2013

If it's any constellation, I've been attending NB on as close to a 9-5 
weekday basis as I can, & the whole NB 'family' has really helped me 
begin to re-calibrate myself to functioning like a normal person again.  
I can't honestly say I've hacked in 5 years, & ever since then I feel 
like my brain has been in freefall.  Attending NB when I can (sure, the 
exciting stuff doesn't happen in the day, but it's still plenty busy) 
I'm really beginning to re-learn what it means to be useful to human 
society while retaining my existing skillset, & to never crash just 
because I can.  I'm sure that by dicking around at Noisebridge long 
enough I'll end up with a job & if that job's in the area, I'll be sure 
to donate more than the few dollars I can put in now.

On 09/28/2013 05:22 AM, Nicholas LoCicero wrote:
> Idk if it really has failed at governing itself. Since last May I have 
> learned html/css, some Javascript, a ton of python (finished the 
> beginning class and am now in intermediate), have a working knowledge 
> of LED programming, as well as a hundred other more or less technical 
> skills (kombucha and whatnot). I have been to sudo room and still see 
> noisebridge as having more potential. There is something at work in 
> noisebridge that is so real and human, it goes beyond society or law 
> or simple rules. There is a process that because noisebridge has no 
> leaders, everyone sooner or later realizes the leader in themselves. 
> Something like that I feel.happening. It's dialectical and ironic in 
> nature that a higher order is forming out zero imposed leadership, but 
> it slowly is and it's organic structure reaches everyone. This is a 
> great example. We failed at governing ourselves, but not really, this 
> guy is no longer welcome and the sky isn't falling down. And what does 
> everyone gain from it? We all gain, as a community and individually, 
> the experience of governing ourselves and that process longterm is 
> more powerful for noisebridge and the world than any sterilized, 
> managed organization. There is a need fulfilled by sterile, managed 
> organizations, but there is more possible for humanity and more to be 
> learned by not giving up on noisebridge.
> On Sep 27, 2013 10:11 PM, "Ronald Cotoni" <setient at gmail.com 
> <mailto:setient at gmail.com>> wrote:
>     No, you can tell this by the meeting notes. There was no "Ron".
>     "Ronald" or setient on it.   Frankly, I am on the side of not
>     renewing the lease and trying to get out of it as soon as possible
>     with Noisebridge shutting down.   The community has failed at
>     governing itself.  Most of the members and people who helped found
>     Noisebridge no longer attend for a variety of reasons.  Mitch is
>     one of the few that still attend but he travels a lot.   He may or
>     may not be aware of the issues that plague the community but that
>     isn't enough.
>     On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 2:30 PM, Nicholas LoCicero
>     <nick.locicero at gmail.com <mailto:nick.locicero at gmail.com>> wrote:
>         You must not have been at the meeting several members swore at
>         Adam..
>         Had you been there, you'd see my email as nothing more than a
>         feint echo.
>         On Sep 27, 2013 10:58 AM, "Ronald Cotoni" <setient at gmail.com
>         <mailto:setient at gmail.com>> wrote:
>             Wow.  Judgemental much Nicholas? I would suggest keeping
>             name calling off the list.  It is detrimental towards you
>             and people taking about this.  You are also saying you
>             don't care if it is true or not, which is also another
>             strike against you.  Not saying that I do not think being
>             a sex offender is serious business but yeah.  You also
>             have to be aware that I do not think you can legally live
>             in San Francisco and be a sex offender. You have to live X
>             distance from schools, but since SF is so dense, there is
>             no such place. Does Adam live in SF?  Could it be a
>             different person with the same name?
>             Now personally, I think we can help with these issues by
>             having multiple members step up to the plate and actually
>             do SOMETHING for the community.  By this I mean whenever
>             the space is open, having a few members there to sort of
>             make sure it is excellent.   I am not a member, so I have
>             no such say in things.
>             On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 3:52 AM, Nicholas LoCicero
>             <nick.locicero at gmail.com <mailto:nick.locicero at gmail.com>>
>             wrote:
>                 Yes, Cedric, there is a zero tolerance policy on
>                 fighting at most California schools and kids can be
>                 permanently banned from attending. The term is
>                 expulsion. It's very common.
>                 On Sep 27, 2013 3:43 AM, "Nicholas LoCicero"
>                 <nick.locicero at gmail.com
>                 <mailto:nick.locicero at gmail.com>> wrote:
>                     Look at the situation. It obviously matters. If
>                     you are as decrepit in morality as that cockroach
>                     adam, I don't even care whether or not his sexual
>                     offense is truth, just use it to keep him out of
>                     the building.
>                     Or realize that when you talk about someone who
>                     has recently damaged the hearts and minds of our
>                     community, bringing up the pattern is common
>                     sense. It's matter of fact. Like someone's driving
>                     record.
>                     On Sep 26, 2013 4:59 PM, "Rachel McConnell"
>                     <rachel at xtreme.com <mailto:rachel at xtreme.com>> wrote:
>                         Cedric,
>                         The whole point of the sex offender registry
>                         is so that the information can be made public.
>                         You are welcome to ignore it. But some people,
>                         quite legitimately, wish to take special care
>                         when dealing with a person who has been
>                         convicted of a sex offense. Consider how few
>                         sex offenses are even reported, much less
>                         result in a conviction. Chances are close to
>                         100% that a woman you know has been the victim
>                         if a sexual assault of some kind. Lets
>                         consider giving her a second chance to NOT be
>                         assaulted.
>                         Cedric. You probably won't be banned from
>                         Noisebridge. It is hard to ban people, even
>                         known sex offenders. They have many ardent
>                         defenders.
>                         -Rachel
>                         On Sep 26, 2013, at 3:16 PM, "C. Honnet"
>                         <cedric at honnet.eu <mailto:cedric at honnet.eu>>
>                         wrote:
>>                         I was actually expressing my concern about
>>                         the denunciation of whatever happens in
>>                         someone's past.
>>                         It just doesn't seem fair to throw that publicly.
>>                         But I'm happy to hear that this "2nd chance"
>>                         exists at noisebridge.
>>                         I don't know how yet, but I guess I might be
>>                         banned myself one day, so it's useful to
>>                         know, lol...
>>                         Thanks for this precision ;)
>>                         Cedric.
>>                         On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 3:03 PM, Frantisek
>>                         Apfelbeck <algoldor at yahoo.com
>>                         <mailto:algoldor at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>>                             I do respond to all what you rise in your
>>                             email just the "2nd chance" concerning
>>                             banning. It is understood long term that
>>                             non of the bans in Noisebridge is for
>>                             "life time" it is for "certain inexact
>>                             period" and after that lets see again. So
>>                             second chances - yes, but in time.
>>                             That is at least how I feel about that
>>                             after few years on the list and several
>>                             involvements with the place.
>>                             Sincerely,
>>                             FAA
>>                             Frantisek Algoldor Apfelbeck
>>                             biotechnologist&kvasir and hacker
>>                             http://www.frantisekapfelbeck.org
>>                             "There is no way to peace, peace is the
>>                             way." Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi
>>                             ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>                             *From:* C. Honnet <cedric at honnet.eu
>>                             <mailto:cedric at honnet.eu>>
>>                             *To:*
>>                             "noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net <mailto:noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net>"
>>                             <noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net <mailto:noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net>>
>>                             *Sent:* Friday, September 27, 2013 6:57 AM
>>                             *Subject:* [Noisebridge-discuss] Proposal
>>                             to ban Adam by consensus
>>                             This is definitely sad...
>>                             ...but is this "sex offender" reference
>>                             really related to this particular problem
>>                             ? (I didn't hear it at the meeting)
>>                             Related or not, I don't think that it
>>                             should be publicly spread like that, this
>>                             kind ofdenunciation is not fair.
>>                             Deserved condemnation or not, what
>>                             happened to the right to a 2nd chance ?
>>                             (what about privacy?)
>>                             Isn't Noisebridge about educating people ?
>>                             What about the doubts for a justice
>>                             system that might fail ? (it's made by
>>                             imperfect humans)
>>                             On the fight itself, I'm just wondering:
>>                             Even at school, do you get definitively
>>                             banned when you fight ?
>>                             And about banning, I saw a guy calling
>>                             the police to kick someone out during the
>>                             meeting. Can't we do it more
>>                             properly/excellently ?
>>                             Personally, I would definitely prefer to
>>                             be punched.
>>                             On the other hand, I have only heard it
>>                             and not witnessed it but "power" problems
>>                             in an anarchist organisation is quite
>>                             fucked up.
>>                             Just my humble point of view, I hope I
>>                             didn't offend anyone.
>>                             Excellently yours, (or doing my best at
>>                             least)
>>                             Cedric.
>>                             ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>                             From: bfb at riseup.net <mailto:bfb at riseup.net>
>>                             To:
>>                             noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
>>                             <mailto:noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net>
>>                             Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 19:32:13 -0700
>>                             Subject: [Noisebridge-discuss] Proposal
>>                             to ban Adam by consensus
>>                             At the end of last night's meeting, a
>>                             consensus proposal was brought to
>>                             ban Adam (Joseph Adam Moore) from
>>                             Noisebridge. Adam was asked not to
>>                             return to Noisebridge until the Tuesday
>>                             meeting. I don't feel this is
>>                             necessary. In cases of physical assult, a
>>                             zero tolerance policy is in
>>                             order.
>>                             Adam was reported to have struck someone
>>                             in the neck twice (see notes for
>>                             details)
>>                             https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Meeting_Notes_2013_09_24#Proposals_for_next_week
>>                             Additionally, Joseph Adam Moore is a
>>                             registered sex offender.
>>                             http://meganslaw.ca.gov
>>                             <http://meganslaw.ca.gov/>
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