[Noisebridge-discuss] Proposal to ban Adam by consensus

Nicholas LoCicero nick.locicero at gmail.com
Fri Sep 27 10:52:03 UTC 2013


Yes, Cedric, there is a zero tolerance policy on fighting at most
California schools and kids can be permanently banned from attending. The
term is expulsion. It's very common.
On Sep 27, 2013 3:43 AM, "Nicholas LoCicero" <nick.locicero at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Look at the situation. It obviously matters. If you are as decrepit in
> morality as that cockroach adam, I don't even care whether or not his
> sexual offense is truth, just use it to keep him out of the building.
>
> Or realize that when you talk about someone who has recently damaged the
> hearts and minds of our community, bringing up the pattern is common sense.
> It's matter of fact. Like someone's driving record.
> On Sep 26, 2013 4:59 PM, "Rachel McConnell" <rachel at xtreme.com> wrote:
>
>> Cedric,
>>
>> The whole point of the sex offender registry is so that the information
>> can be made public. You are welcome to ignore it. But some people, quite
>> legitimately, wish to take special care when dealing with a person who has
>> been convicted of a sex offense. Consider how few sex offenses are even
>> reported, much less result in a conviction. Chances are close to 100% that
>> a woman you know has been the victim if a sexual assault of some kind. Lets
>> consider giving her a second chance to NOT be assaulted.
>>
>> Cedric. You probably won't be banned from Noisebridge. It is hard to ban
>> people, even known sex offenders. They have many ardent defenders.
>>
>> -Rachel
>>
>> On Sep 26, 2013, at 3:16 PM, "C. Honnet" <cedric at honnet.eu> wrote:
>>
>> I was actually expressing my concern about the denunciation of whatever
>> happens in someone's past.
>> It just doesn't seem fair to throw that publicly.
>>
>> But I'm happy to hear that this "2nd chance" exists at noisebridge.
>> I don't know how yet, but I guess I might be banned myself one day, so
>> it's useful to know, lol...
>>
>> Thanks for this precision ;)
>> Cedric.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 3:03 PM, Frantisek Apfelbeck <algoldor at yahoo.com>wrote:
>>
>>> I do respond to all what you rise in your email just the "2nd chance"
>>> concerning banning. It is understood long term  that non of the bans in
>>> Noisebridge is for "life time" it is for "certain inexact period" and after
>>> that lets see again. So second chances - yes, but in time.
>>>
>>> That is at least how I feel about that after few years on the list and
>>> several involvements with the place.
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>> FAA
>>>
>>> Frantisek Algoldor Apfelbeck
>>>
>>>
>>> biotechnologist&kvasir and hacker
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.frantisekapfelbeck.org
>>>
>>>
>>> "There is no way to peace, peace is the way." Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi
>>>
>>>   ------------------------------
>>>  *From:* C. Honnet <cedric at honnet.eu>
>>> *To:* "noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net" <
>>> noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net>
>>> *Sent:* Friday, September 27, 2013 6:57 AM
>>>
>>> *Subject:* [Noisebridge-discuss] Proposal to ban Adam by consensus
>>>
>>> This is definitely sad...
>>> ...but is this "sex offender" reference really related to this
>>> particular problem ? (I didn't hear it at the meeting)
>>>
>>> Related or not, I don't think that it should be publicly spread like
>>> that, this kind of denunciation is not fair.
>>> Deserved condemnation or not, what happened to the right to a 2nd
>>> chance ? (what about privacy?)
>>> Isn't Noisebridge about educating people ?
>>> What about the doubts for a justice system that might fail ? (it's made
>>> by imperfect humans)
>>>
>>> On the fight itself, I'm just wondering:
>>> Even at school, do you get definitively banned when you fight ?
>>>
>>> And about banning, I saw a guy calling the police to kick someone out
>>> during the meeting. Can't we do it more properly/excellently ?
>>> Personally, I would definitely prefer to be punched.
>>>
>>> On the other hand, I have only heard it and not witnessed it but "power"
>>> problems in an anarchist organisation is quite fucked up.
>>>
>>> Just my humble point of view, I hope I didn't offend anyone.
>>> Excellently yours, (or doing my best at least)
>>> Cedric.
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: bfb at riseup.net
>>> To: noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
>>> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 19:32:13 -0700
>>> Subject: [Noisebridge-discuss] Proposal to ban Adam by consensus
>>>
>>> At the end of last night's meeting, a consensus proposal was brought to
>>> ban Adam (Joseph Adam Moore) from Noisebridge. Adam was asked not to
>>> return to Noisebridge until the Tuesday meeting. I don't feel this is
>>> necessary. In cases of physical assult, a zero tolerance policy is in
>>> order.
>>>
>>> Adam was reported to have struck someone in the neck twice (see notes for
>>> details)
>>>
>>> https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Meeting_Notes_2013_09_24#Proposals_for_next_week
>>>
>>> Additionally, Joseph Adam Moore is a registered sex offender.
>>> http://meganslaw.ca.gov
>>>
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>>>
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