[Noisebridge-discuss] Proposal to ban Adam by consensus
Jean-Luc Picard
atari2600a at gmail.com
Sat Sep 28 23:23:23 UTC 2013
If it's any constellation, I've been attending NB on as close to a 9-5
weekday basis as I can, & the whole NB 'family' has really helped me
begin to re-calibrate myself to functioning like a normal person again.
I can't honestly say I've hacked in 5 years, & ever since then I feel
like my brain has been in freefall. Attending NB when I can (sure, the
exciting stuff doesn't happen in the day, but it's still plenty busy)
I'm really beginning to re-learn what it means to be useful to human
society while retaining my existing skillset, & to never crash just
because I can. I'm sure that by dicking around at Noisebridge long
enough I'll end up with a job & if that job's in the area, I'll be sure
to donate more than the few dollars I can put in now.
On 09/28/2013 05:22 AM, Nicholas LoCicero wrote:
>
> Idk if it really has failed at governing itself. Since last May I have
> learned html/css, some Javascript, a ton of python (finished the
> beginning class and am now in intermediate), have a working knowledge
> of LED programming, as well as a hundred other more or less technical
> skills (kombucha and whatnot). I have been to sudo room and still see
> noisebridge as having more potential. There is something at work in
> noisebridge that is so real and human, it goes beyond society or law
> or simple rules. There is a process that because noisebridge has no
> leaders, everyone sooner or later realizes the leader in themselves.
> Something like that I feel.happening. It's dialectical and ironic in
> nature that a higher order is forming out zero imposed leadership, but
> it slowly is and it's organic structure reaches everyone. This is a
> great example. We failed at governing ourselves, but not really, this
> guy is no longer welcome and the sky isn't falling down. And what does
> everyone gain from it? We all gain, as a community and individually,
> the experience of governing ourselves and that process longterm is
> more powerful for noisebridge and the world than any sterilized,
> managed organization. There is a need fulfilled by sterile, managed
> organizations, but there is more possible for humanity and more to be
> learned by not giving up on noisebridge.
>
> On Sep 27, 2013 10:11 PM, "Ronald Cotoni" <setient at gmail.com
> <mailto:setient at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> No, you can tell this by the meeting notes. There was no "Ron".
> "Ronald" or setient on it. Frankly, I am on the side of not
> renewing the lease and trying to get out of it as soon as possible
> with Noisebridge shutting down. The community has failed at
> governing itself. Most of the members and people who helped found
> Noisebridge no longer attend for a variety of reasons. Mitch is
> one of the few that still attend but he travels a lot. He may or
> may not be aware of the issues that plague the community but that
> isn't enough.
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 2:30 PM, Nicholas LoCicero
> <nick.locicero at gmail.com <mailto:nick.locicero at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> You must not have been at the meeting several members swore at
> Adam..
>
> Had you been there, you'd see my email as nothing more than a
> feint echo.
>
> On Sep 27, 2013 10:58 AM, "Ronald Cotoni" <setient at gmail.com
> <mailto:setient at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Wow. Judgemental much Nicholas? I would suggest keeping
> name calling off the list. It is detrimental towards you
> and people taking about this. You are also saying you
> don't care if it is true or not, which is also another
> strike against you. Not saying that I do not think being
> a sex offender is serious business but yeah. You also
> have to be aware that I do not think you can legally live
> in San Francisco and be a sex offender. You have to live X
> distance from schools, but since SF is so dense, there is
> no such place. Does Adam live in SF? Could it be a
> different person with the same name?
> Now personally, I think we can help with these issues by
> having multiple members step up to the plate and actually
> do SOMETHING for the community. By this I mean whenever
> the space is open, having a few members there to sort of
> make sure it is excellent. I am not a member, so I have
> no such say in things.
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 3:52 AM, Nicholas LoCicero
> <nick.locicero at gmail.com <mailto:nick.locicero at gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> Yes, Cedric, there is a zero tolerance policy on
> fighting at most California schools and kids can be
> permanently banned from attending. The term is
> expulsion. It's very common.
>
> On Sep 27, 2013 3:43 AM, "Nicholas LoCicero"
> <nick.locicero at gmail.com
> <mailto:nick.locicero at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Look at the situation. It obviously matters. If
> you are as decrepit in morality as that cockroach
> adam, I don't even care whether or not his sexual
> offense is truth, just use it to keep him out of
> the building.
>
> Or realize that when you talk about someone who
> has recently damaged the hearts and minds of our
> community, bringing up the pattern is common
> sense. It's matter of fact. Like someone's driving
> record.
>
> On Sep 26, 2013 4:59 PM, "Rachel McConnell"
> <rachel at xtreme.com <mailto:rachel at xtreme.com>> wrote:
>
> Cedric,
>
> The whole point of the sex offender registry
> is so that the information can be made public.
> You are welcome to ignore it. But some people,
> quite legitimately, wish to take special care
> when dealing with a person who has been
> convicted of a sex offense. Consider how few
> sex offenses are even reported, much less
> result in a conviction. Chances are close to
> 100% that a woman you know has been the victim
> if a sexual assault of some kind. Lets
> consider giving her a second chance to NOT be
> assaulted.
>
> Cedric. You probably won't be banned from
> Noisebridge. It is hard to ban people, even
> known sex offenders. They have many ardent
> defenders.
>
> -Rachel
>
> On Sep 26, 2013, at 3:16 PM, "C. Honnet"
> <cedric at honnet.eu <mailto:cedric at honnet.eu>>
> wrote:
>
>> I was actually expressing my concern about
>> the denunciation of whatever happens in
>> someone's past.
>> It just doesn't seem fair to throw that publicly.
>>
>> But I'm happy to hear that this "2nd chance"
>> exists at noisebridge.
>> I don't know how yet, but I guess I might be
>> banned myself one day, so it's useful to
>> know, lol...
>>
>> Thanks for this precision ;)
>> Cedric.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 3:03 PM, Frantisek
>> Apfelbeck <algoldor at yahoo.com
>> <mailto:algoldor at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>>
>> I do respond to all what you rise in your
>> email just the "2nd chance" concerning
>> banning. It is understood long term that
>> non of the bans in Noisebridge is for
>> "life time" it is for "certain inexact
>> period" and after that lets see again. So
>> second chances - yes, but in time.
>>
>> That is at least how I feel about that
>> after few years on the list and several
>> involvements with the place.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> FAA
>> Frantisek Algoldor Apfelbeck
>>
>>
>> biotechnologist&kvasir and hacker
>>
>>
>> http://www.frantisekapfelbeck.org
>>
>>
>> "There is no way to peace, peace is the
>> way." Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From:* C. Honnet <cedric at honnet.eu
>> <mailto:cedric at honnet.eu>>
>> *To:*
>> "noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net <mailto:noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net>"
>> <noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net <mailto:noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net>>
>>
>> *Sent:* Friday, September 27, 2013 6:57 AM
>>
>> *Subject:* [Noisebridge-discuss] Proposal
>> to ban Adam by consensus
>>
>> This is definitely sad...
>> ...but is this "sex offender" reference
>> really related to this particular problem
>> ? (I didn't hear it at the meeting)
>>
>> Related or not, I don't think that it
>> should be publicly spread like that, this
>> kind ofdenunciation is not fair.
>> Deserved condemnation or not, what
>> happened to the right to a 2nd chance ?
>> (what about privacy?)
>> Isn't Noisebridge about educating people ?
>> What about the doubts for a justice
>> system that might fail ? (it's made by
>> imperfect humans)
>>
>> On the fight itself, I'm just wondering:
>> Even at school, do you get definitively
>> banned when you fight ?
>>
>> And about banning, I saw a guy calling
>> the police to kick someone out during the
>> meeting. Can't we do it more
>> properly/excellently ?
>> Personally, I would definitely prefer to
>> be punched.
>>
>> On the other hand, I have only heard it
>> and not witnessed it but "power" problems
>> in an anarchist organisation is quite
>> fucked up.
>>
>> Just my humble point of view, I hope I
>> didn't offend anyone.
>> Excellently yours, (or doing my best at
>> least)
>> Cedric.
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: bfb at riseup.net <mailto:bfb at riseup.net>
>> To:
>> noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
>> <mailto:noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net>
>> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 19:32:13 -0700
>> Subject: [Noisebridge-discuss] Proposal
>> to ban Adam by consensus
>>
>> At the end of last night's meeting, a
>> consensus proposal was brought to
>> ban Adam (Joseph Adam Moore) from
>> Noisebridge. Adam was asked not to
>> return to Noisebridge until the Tuesday
>> meeting. I don't feel this is
>> necessary. In cases of physical assult, a
>> zero tolerance policy is in
>> order.
>>
>> Adam was reported to have struck someone
>> in the neck twice (see notes for
>> details)
>> https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Meeting_Notes_2013_09_24#Proposals_for_next_week
>>
>> Additionally, Joseph Adam Moore is a
>> registered sex offender.
>> http://meganslaw.ca.gov
>> <http://meganslaw.ca.gov/>
>>
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