[Noisebridge-discuss] Having a discussion about the kitchen

[Naomi Most]

I have no problem believing that some people don't know how to get
dishes clean.  I have seen that happen many times in my various shared
living situations.

Asserting that people "should not" do a thing if they are ignorant of
something is basically a nonstarter.  I don't know how to read what's
available in people's brains as they take a glass from the shelf and
pour a drink.  Do you?

--Naomi


On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 12:02 PM, Hannah Grimm <dharlette at gmail.com> wrote:
> "2) There is no clear understanding of how to properly use the kitchen. The
> average person in the kitchen does not understand how to wash a dish and has
> an opportunity to be taught. Once again a couple people are mobilized to
> micromanage the kitchen, but there is no greater community understanding."
>
> Excuse me, what?  Dishwashing is a very simple thing.  We should not have to
> teach people how to wash the dishes.  If you do not know how to wash your
> own dishes, then you should not be using a community kitchen.
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 9:52 AM, Praveen Sinha <dmhomee at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> THIS IS WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT HELL YEAH COMMUNITY BUILDING
>>
>> Thanks so much James and Dana, these conversations and understanding and
>> getting past preconceptions of each other and reporting back is really
>> really important foundational work.  Big plus!!!
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 8:05 AM, James Sundquist <sundquistjames at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Last night there was a lengthy discussion about communal usage of the
>>> kitchen that spontaneously lasted from 9 - 11:30.  Coffee and cake were
>>> served.  We talked about do-ocracy, responsibility, and how to have
>>> effective communication about the kitchen.
>>>
>>> A big take away was that people need to talk about this in-person and
>>> consider how it impacts everyone, because removing the kitchen will not
>>> remove Noisebridge's problems by itself.  I just want to note that this
>>> really was a discussion, which included everyone being able to speak their
>>> mind while being respected; the point of talking was to gain perspective by
>>> asking questions rather than talking over others.
>>>
>>> 1) A big reason the daily users of the kitchen do not respect you is
>>> because they do not know you or feel any connection in the space without a
>>> communal kitchen.  Any valid concerns of those who want to disable are
>>> unknown to the daily users of the kitchen.
>>>
>>> 2) There is no clear understanding of how to properly use the kitchen.
>>> The average person in the kitchen does not understand how to wash a dish and
>>> has an opportunity to be taught. Once again a couple people are mobilized to
>>> micromanage the kitchen, but there is no greater community understanding.
>>>
>>> 3) It is difficult to know how capable we all are of having a respectful
>>> conversation to allows people to maintain their dignity, because community
>>> building should be the goal when people are in conflict.
>>>
>>> 4) A big part of this as I understood it was reassessing how people are
>>> introduced to this space.  Example, "Welcome to Noisebridge; we're a 501c3
>>> Non-profit that encourages education and learning by doing.  This is a
>>> Do-It-Yourself space so at a base minimum you're expected to wash your own
>>> dishes and keep your work area clean for the next person."
>>>
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