[Noisebridge-discuss] Having a discussion about the kitchen

Thu Apr 3 23:21:34 UTC 2014

Agreed. And there's the even simpler problem of not having a single,
easy-to-follow system to determine whether the contents are clean or not.
Still interested in hearing how the first one went away. This is obviously
out of date:
https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Dishwasher

On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 4:13 PM, Norman Bradley <pryankster at gmail.com> wrote:

>  The problem I see with a dishwasher is that if people "don't know how to
> wash a disk" then they will most likely won't scrape off the dishes before
> putting in the washer. Repeatedly fixing a plugged up washer can get quite
> expensive.
>
> You are entitled to your own opinion.
> You are NOT entitled to your own facts.
>
> Norman
>
> On 4/3/2014 3:28 PM, daravinne wrote:
>
> i said it on the other thread and i will say it again.
>
>  DISHWASHER
>
>  every company i've worked at has a dishwasher.  i hate washing dishes,
> myself.  i don't want to waste time away from projects to do boring manual
> labor like washing dishes.  and look! we have the technology to make dishes
> be washed themselves!
>
>  I am willing to throw money at obtaining a dishwasher for the space.
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 1:01 PM, Naomi Gmail <pnaomi at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Btw, point of information:
>>
>> sudo room has a dishwasher.
>>
>> --Naomi
>>
>>
>> > On Apr 3, 2014, at 12:29 PM, Naomi Most <pnaomi at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > I have no problem believing that some people don't know how to get
>> > dishes clean.  I have seen that happen many times in my various shared
>> > living situations.
>> >
>> > Asserting that people "should not" do a thing if they are ignorant of
>> > something is basically a nonstarter.  I don't know how to read what's
>> > available in people's brains as they take a glass from the shelf and
>> > pour a drink.  Do you?
>> >
>> > --Naomi
>> >
>> >
>> >> On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 12:02 PM, Hannah Grimm <dharlette at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >> "2) There is no clear understanding of how to properly use the
>> kitchen. The
>> >> average person in the kitchen does not understand how to wash a dish
>> and has
>> >> an opportunity to be taught. Once again a couple people are mobilized
>> to
>> >> micromanage the kitchen, but there is no greater community
>> understanding."
>> >>
>> >> Excuse me, what?  Dishwashing is a very simple thing.  We should not
>> have to
>> >> teach people how to wash the dishes.  If you do not know how to wash
>> your
>> >> own dishes, then you should not be using a community kitchen.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 9:52 AM, Praveen Sinha <dmhomee at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> THIS IS WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT HELL YEAH COMMUNITY BUILDING
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks so much James and Dana, these conversations and understanding
>> and
>> >>> getting past preconceptions of each other and reporting back is really
>> >>> really important foundational work.  Big plus!!!
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 8:05 AM, James Sundquist <
>> sundquistjames at gmail.com>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Last night there was a lengthy discussion about communal usage of the
>> >>>> kitchen that spontaneously lasted from 9 - 11:30.  Coffee and cake
>> were
>> >>>> served.  We talked about do-ocracy, responsibility, and how to have
>> >>>> effective communication about the kitchen.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> A big take away was that people need to talk about this in-person and
>> >>>> consider how it impacts everyone, because removing the kitchen will
>> not
>> >>>> remove Noisebridge's problems by itself.  I just want to note that
>> this
>> >>>> really was a discussion, which included everyone being able to speak
>> their
>> >>>> mind while being respected; the point of talking was to gain
>> perspective by
>> >>>> asking questions rather than talking over others.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 1) A big reason the daily users of the kitchen do not respect you is
>> >>>> because they do not know you or feel any connection in the space
>> without a
>> >>>> communal kitchen.  Any valid concerns of those who want to disable
>> are
>> >>>> unknown to the daily users of the kitchen.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 2) There is no clear understanding of how to properly use the
>> kitchen.
>> >>>> The average person in the kitchen does not understand how to wash a
>> dish and
>> >>>> has an opportunity to be taught. Once again a couple people are
>> mobilized to
>> >>>> micromanage the kitchen, but there is no greater community
>> understanding.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 3) It is difficult to know how capable we all are of having a
>> respectful
>> >>>> conversation to allows people to maintain their dignity, because
>> community
>> >>>> building should be the goal when people are in conflict.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 4) A big part of this as I understood it was reassessing how people
>> are
>> >>>> introduced to this space.  Example, "Welcome to Noisebridge; we're a
>> 501c3
>> >>>> Non-profit that encourages education and learning by doing.  This is
>> a
>> >>>> Do-It-Yourself space so at a base minimum you're expected to wash
>> your own
>> >>>> dishes and keep your work area clean for the next person."
>> >>>>
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