[Noisebridge-discuss] Having a discussion about the kitchen
al.sweigart at hushmail.com
al.sweigart at hushmail.com
Thu Apr 3 23:59:18 UTC 2014
Sure it will. Anyone who sees this dishwasher will never disrespect
the space:
On 04/03/2014 at 4:36 PM, "Ceren Ercen" wrote:
A dishwasher will not change the behavior of people who leave kitchen
garbage and dirty plates out. Anyone who has ever had a roommate,
ever, knows that. And hell, usually, I'm "that" roommate! On Apr 3,
2014 7:33 PM, "daravinne" wrote:
so uh
http://www.amazon.com/InterDesign-Clean-Dirty-Dishwasher-Indicator/dp/B00004XSF9/
in the same vein, a reminder sign reminding people to scrape their
dishes before putting them in the dishwasher.
On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 4:21 PM, Jeffrey Carl Faden wrote:
Agreed. And there's the even simpler problem of not having a single,
easy-to-follow system to determine whether the contents are clean or
not. Still interested in hearing how the first one went away. This is
obviously out of date: https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Dishwasher
On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 4:13 PM, Norman Bradley wrote:
The problem I see with a dishwasher is that
if people "don't know how to wash a disk" then they will most
likely won't scrape off the dishes before putting in the washer.
Repeatedly fixing a plugged up washer can get quite expensive.
You are entitled to your own opinion. You are NOT entitled to your
own facts. Norman On 4/3/2014 3:28 PM, daravinne wrote:
i said it on the other thread and i will say it
again.
DISHWASHER
every company i've worked at has a dishwasher. i
hate washing dishes, myself. i don't want to waste time
away from projects to do boring manual labor like washing
dishes. and look! we have the technology to make dishes be
washed themselves!
I am willing to throw money at obtaining a
dishwasher for the space.
On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 1:01 PM, Naomi Gmail
wrote:
Btw, point of information:
sudo room has a dishwasher.
--Naomi
> On Apr 3, 2014, at 12:29 PM, Naomi Most
wrote:
>
> I have no problem believing that some people
don't know how to get
> dishes clean. I have seen that happen many
times in my various shared
> living situations.
>
> Asserting that people "should not" do a thing
if they are ignorant of
> something is basically a nonstarter. I don't
know how to read what's
> available in people's brains as they take a
glass from the shelf and
> pour a drink. Do you?
>
> --Naomi
>
>
>> On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 12:02 PM, Hannah
Grimm wrote:
>> "2) There is no clear understanding of how
to properly use the kitchen. The
>> average person in the kitchen does not
understand how to wash a dish and has
>> an opportunity to be taught. Once again a
couple people are mobilized to
>> micromanage the kitchen, but there is no
greater community understanding."
>>
>> Excuse me, what? Dishwashing is a very
simple thing. We should not have to
>> teach people how to wash the dishes. If
you do not know how to wash your
>> own dishes, then you should not be using a
community kitchen.
>>
>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 9:52 AM, Praveen
Sinha wrote:
>>>
>>> THIS IS WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT HELL YEAH
COMMUNITY BUILDING
>>>
>>> Thanks so much James and Dana, these
conversations and understanding and
>>> getting past preconceptions of each
other and reporting back is really
>>> really important foundational work.
Big plus!!!
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 8:05 AM, James
Sundquist
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Last night there was a lengthy
discussion about communal usage of the
>>>> kitchen that spontaneously lasted
from 9 - 11:30. Coffee and cake were
>>>> served. We talked about do-ocracy,
responsibility, and how to have
>>>> effective communication about the
kitchen.
>>>>
>>>> A big take away was that people
need to talk about this in-person and
>>>> consider how it impacts everyone,
because removing the kitchen will not
>>>> remove Noisebridge's problems by
itself. I just want to note that this
>>>> really was a discussion, which
included everyone being able to speak their
>>>> mind while being respected; the
point of talking was to gain perspective by
>>>> asking questions rather than
talking over others.
>>>>
>>>> 1) A big reason the daily users of
the kitchen do not respect you is
>>>> because they do not know you or
feel any connection in the space without a
>>>> communal kitchen. Any valid
concerns of those who want to disable are
>>>> unknown to the daily users of the
kitchen.
>>>>
>>>> 2) There is no clear understanding
of how to properly use the kitchen.
>>>> The average person in the kitchen
does not understand how to wash a dish and
>>>> has an opportunity to be taught.
Once again a couple people are mobilized to
>>>> micromanage the kitchen, but there
is no greater community understanding.
>>>>
>>>> 3) It is difficult to know how
capable we all are of having a respectful
>>>> conversation to allows people to
maintain their dignity, because community
>>>> building should be the goal when
people are in conflict.
>>>>
>>>> 4) A big part of this as I
understood it was reassessing how people are
>>>> introduced to this space. Example,
"Welcome to Noisebridge; we're a 501c3
>>>> Non-profit that encourages
education and learning by doing. This is a
>>>> Do-It-Yourself space so at a base
minimum you're expected to wash your own
>>>> dishes and keep your work area
clean for the next person."
>>>>
>>>>
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