[Noisebridge-discuss] think bigger

Sat Apr 5 07:42:17 UTC 2014

Keep in mind, I haven't written in any implementation details :)

On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 12:09 AM, Naomi Most <pnaomi at gmail.com> wrote:

> Yeah.  Praveen's right, but people arguing that NB legally should not
> allow sleeping are also right.
>
> Ethics is hard.
>
> *opens ice cream, eats it straight from the carton*
>
> --Naomi
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 8:40 PM, Ronald Cotoni <setient at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Let me explain more.   You are right Praveen but the rest of the planet
> > isn't quite there.  We are going to have to do it in a more incremental
> way.
> > Maybe we should work towards buying a space.   I have no idea.  This is
> why
> > we are starting some working groups.
> >
> > On Apr 4, 2014 8:36 PM, "Ronald Cotoni" <setient at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> +1
> >>
> >> On Apr 4, 2014 8:18 PM, "Curtis Gagliardi" <gagliardi.curtis at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I'm at a cafe with a friend right now because he didn't want to go to
> >>> noisebridge because "it's basically a homeless shelter".  I want to
> >>> experience that noisebridge you describe with people hacking within
> it, but
> >>> it hasn't really been my experience over the last year.
> >>>
> >>>  I wanted to meet other people hacked on software or hardware, not
> >>> sleep|food|housing (through sleeping, eating, and living at NB).  I'm
> >>> willing to accept that maybe what I think noisebridge should be isn't
> what
> >>> the rest of the community thinks it should be.  I would really like to
> >>> figure out what the rest of the community thinks noisebridge is
> suppossed to
> >>> be.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 7:33 PM, Praveen Sinha <dmhomee at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> The idea of noisebridge as an entity being constrained by leases and
> >>>> zoning laws is one that is frequently bandied about.
> >>>>
> >>>> Indeed, in some amount of time, our lease will be up for
> re-negotiation,
> >>>> at which point we may have to make our own hard decisions of whether
> we can
> >>>> afford a rent increase, or be zoned for the next block of luxury
> housing in
> >>>> the mission.
> >>>>
> >>>> To me, a community is much more powerful than mere contracts or money
> -
> >>>> in fact, it is the community itself that defines both of these
> things.  To
> >>>> me, a community (and movements in general) is most powerful when
> everyone
> >>>> has an ability to participate.  A lot of my off-time work is trying
> to deal
> >>>> with circumstances of  people on the margins of participation:  often
> times
> >>>> people who have lived their whole lives with a world that expects to
> >>>> apologize for they are.  I'll write more on that later.  We are all
> >>>> experiencing the first hand pains and momentous task of forming and
> growing
> >>>> a community.
> >>>>
> >>>> We have options to take on both our lease and our zoning.  It would
> >>>> require landlord buy-in, and it would require pulling connections
> inside the
> >>>> city:  both of these are doable - as an example, many of you may know
> my
> >>>> housing collective has been working with the San Francisco Land Trust
>  (
> >>>> http://www.sfclt.org/ ) to save our house from getting converted
> into a
> >>>> condoplex (and I highly encourage other people living in large
> collectives
> >>>> to look into this).
> >>>>
> >>>> We in the tech community in the bay area are blessed with a lot of
> >>>> political power and influence: and this doesn't just mean twitter or
> google.
> >>>> Not only do we have observers from around the world, but we have
> observers
> >>>> and friends in city hall watching from a distance.  As chaotic and
> >>>> disenfranchised we may think of ourselves, in reality we all wield a
> >>>> tremendous amount of influence as noisebridgers:  we just don't know
> it yet
> >>>> (and this pattern of internalized political disenfranchisement is
> common not
> >>>> just amongst nerds but across many communities).
> >>>>
> >>>> So what does all of this have to do with our tiny collective?  Our
> >>>> kitchen issues?  Our disorganized circuit equipment?  In the span
> that I've
> >>>> been at noisebridge, I've seen and participated in:  people adding new
> >>>> senses in their bodies, people writing the next generation machine
> >>>> recognition software, people making next generation low cost printable
> >>>> circuits, people making at home gene amplification technology, people
> grow
> >>>> mushrooms on a wall, people getting fucked on a table by a dildo and
> spanked
> >>>> by bondage clowns, having knock down intersectional fights of race and
> >>>> gender,  being  a technological staging ground for the occupy
> protests,
> >>>> having our hacker home double up as a shelter for years at a time and
> still
> >>>> function.   We are creating and challenging the bounds of what can be
> done
> >>>> and is possible and not just technologically but socially.
> >>>>
> >>>> In that, I submit that our pains have not to do with mismanagment, but
> >>>> that we need to grow into our next phase for an even larger and more
> dynamic
> >>>> community:  I don't know what it's going to look like or what the
> outcome
> >>>> will be, but as everyone is shuffling about in this latest re-org, I
> think
> >>>> it's important to think bigger and more radical and more creative and
> more
> >>>> inclusive.  As a hackerspace, we can go in directions no other space
> or
> >>>> collective on the planet is capable of at the moment.  Keep it mind
> as we
> >>>> fight our battles, whatever side of drama you wind up on.
> >>>>
> >>>> Love,
> >>>> Praveen
> >>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> Noisebridge-discuss mailing list
> >>>> Noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
> >>>> https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/noisebridge-discuss
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Noisebridge-discuss mailing list
> >>> Noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
> >>> https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/noisebridge-discuss
> >>>
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Noisebridge-discuss mailing list
> > Noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
> > https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/noisebridge-discuss
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Naomi Theora Most
> naomi at nthmost.com
> +1-415-728-7490
>
> skype: nthmost
>
> http://twitter.com/nthmost
> _______________________________________________
> Noisebridge-discuss mailing list
> Noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
> https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/noisebridge-discuss
>
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://www.noisebridge.net/pipermail/noisebridge-discuss/attachments/20140405/ce09ccaf/attachment.html>